fairytale new york homophobia disguised christmas cheer

[Ontheboardwalk]

This is my Christmas song, Christmas starts when I hear this song. Kirsty MacColl sounds fabulous.

It’s all over the newspapers again about the outrage.

Shane MacGowan has explained a million times what the word faggot means in his life and this song. There’s no harm in the song

AIBU that outrage at this word finishes and everyone should all sing along together to a great tune

Charming. Sohomophobic racist sexist language shouldn’t be bleeped, because Mini doesn’t melt.

You’re not a young gay boy.He isn’t a snowflake or melting because he and we object to it.

We limit language at our peril.

Hmm, not sure about this either. Meanings change, that’s why we don’t use ‘spastic’ or ‘mong’ any more, because they were used as slurs and those slurs became unacceptable. I don’t see many people arguing for those to make a comeback at Christmas though.

And yes to Pumpers last post.

Faggot isn’t homophobic or racist (?) in this song. Stop being so ridiculous.

Did they ever mean anything else pump because I think you are sounding a little thick now.

@pumped you lost the argument long ago when you compared a paedophile to an Irish songwriter.

The word has a homophobic meaning and is offensive to many not least those who have suffered from homophobic bullying. That has been pointed out to you several times.

And free you lost your argument when you chose to speak for the whole gay community and posted a link saying the opposite to back up your argument.

And it has other meanings too. Do we change the name of the meatballs in case it is misconstrued?

Miniguinnes they sure did, you’re making yourself seem even more ignorant now, here you go:

The medical term "spastic" came into use to describe cerebral palsy.[3] The Scottish Council for the Care of Spastics was founded in 1946, and the Spastics Society, an English charity for people with cerebral palsy, was founded in 1951. However, the word began to be used as an insult and became a term of abuse used to imply stupidity or physical ineptness: one who is uncoordinated or incompetent, or a fool.[4] It was often colloquially abbreviated to shorter forms such as "spaz".

The latest one I've heard about this song is that we shouldn't sing it because it's an IRA song.

I had no idea it had any connections with the IRA.

Freesunglasses if you don’t agree with censorship, play Gary Glitter on the radio. You’re the one justifying his comeback, not me.

Umm. But that is where the slur came from pump . Are you a bit thick? It is a horrendous word, but the meaning has never changed.

Sorry, that was uncalled for, calling you thick. But it is not the same argument. You do get that though don’t you.

Most of those complaining about the song probably were not born when it first came out.A faggot in Ireland is a naughty child .We also smoke fags.

I was wondering the other day why Gary Glitter is banned but people fawn over Woody Allen. Certain crimes overlooked in the name of art?

Hang on, you’re justifying the use of Spastic now? Seriously?

You would be happy for ‘you sumbag, you maggot, you cheap lousy spastic’ to be played on the radio?

Explain to me why the word Spastic still means exactly the same as it did when the Spastic Society was set up in 1951.

Maybe reread what I posted. I have not justified the use of the words that you keep bringing into the argument. I just pointed out that the word you have chosen has never had a different meaning. I think you do understand that.

@pumped where the hell once have I said In this whole discussion ' that I justify a gary glitter comeback?! You and that other woman are bleeding mental!

Spastic was an accepted term for someone with cerebral palsy and was then used as a slur.
Faggot was a word for tyke in Ireland or meatball in the U.K., and was then used as a homophobic slur originating in the US.
Do you not see the difference? Can’t actually believe I had to actually spell it out.

S1 been the other woman. Agreed I made a mistake sharing that link. I thought it would show comments too.
Oh and a lost argument is when someone starts talking absolute shite and using non examples to back it up.

Faggot. I get that it has two meanings but for me there’s another.
The childhood meal of nightmares. All I think of is those slimy brown meatballs didn’t help I believed for years after seeing the packaging that they were made from brains

Spastic was an accepted term for someone with cerebral palsy and was then used as a slur.
Faggot was a word for tyke in Ireland or meatball in the U.K., and was then used as a homophobic slur originating in the US.

Can you see a difference here? Can you point it out?

You seem to be saying that Spastic was only ever used in relation to CP, which is wrong.

But it was always related to that. It was disgusting. I think we can safely say Shane McGowan and Jen Finer (British/Irish NOT American) were using the Irish meaning here

Let me tell you about a place

Somewhere up a-New York way

Where the people are so gay

Twistin the night away

The Pogues are not American. Neither of faggot not gay means homosexual in this context. Comparing to n* is a load of bollocks. One rule for them, another for us as far as I’m concerned...

Triggering my arse.