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To fear for my disabled DS future in the UK now?

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Livingtothefull · 14/12/2019 16:12

Just that really.

Despite disabled people bearing the brunt of Tory austerity policies and being criticised by the UN for failing to uphold their rights - www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/31/un-panel-criticises-uk-failure-to-uphold-disabled-peoples-rights

  • a whole lot of my fellow citizens, knowing this, have gone and voted for a Tory government all the same.

I am scared for my DS future now, I don't trust either the Government or the people of this country to look after him when I am no longer able to. He is profoundly disabled, will have as good a life as his country is willing to give him & I have to say it is not looking good. Is it?

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Lulualla · 17/12/2019 11:59

I totally agree that freedom of movement wasnt the best thought out plan.
Its great for tourism, it's great for that gap year around Europe but when you've got unskilled workers flooding a country, then there arent enough jobs anymore for unskilled citizens of that country. Working Visa's should always have applied, and should have been limited to skilled workers which we were short of.

Acidburn · 17/12/2019 12:04

@BoswellSolver the only reason immigrants take some particular jobs is because British people prefer to live on benefits instead of working for a minimum wage. How do you explain that most of the cleaners here are Eastern Europeans? Taxi drivers? Off license shops assistants? That is because no one but them wants to take a shitty low paid job, because they don't have other options. So before you blame the immigrants - how about you take a look at the employers, who don't want to pay decent wages.
And by the way - I am an immigrant who paid (not student loan, my own money) for my British education. Am I allowed to work and make money in this country? Or am I only allowed to pay and get the hell out afterwards?

Sotiredofthislife · 17/12/2019 12:06

I know for a fact my Conservative MP stepped forward at my (Conservative voting) request to help a single parent with a disabled DS

The MP can only help within the Law. If money is removed - and that has certainly been the case - because there are shifts in Law that support that, the MP can't do anything but say sorry.

YANBU. My son has Type 1 Diabetes and I fear he will end up paying for his prescriptions before too long. I buy extra testing strips and needles every now and again because we are only allowed so many on the NHS and he needs more than his quota. I can afford it - just - but I can't afford to pay for everything he needs.

BoswellSolver · 17/12/2019 12:07

Agreed @Lulualla . And once Tesco ,eg, has set their wages, it's a nation wide thing. Orkney might not be as overwhelmed with workers as London, but the head office can just claim their hands are tied and that's that.

And why would anyone go into teaching when they are getting paid the same as any other worker, but expected to put in 'vocation' levels of work ethic?!

BoswellSolver · 17/12/2019 12:13

@Acidburn I think you are right. Some jobs have become 'contracted out' to immigrants. Low paid jobs, for unskilled workers should be what our school leavers do, or students, or parents who need flexible zero-hours type work etc.

Lulualla · 17/12/2019 12:14

@Acidburn

Whatever your moral stance on immigration is, you cannot argue with facts. Increased influx of 'unskilled' immigrants always leads to a decrease in the wage rate of 'unskilled' jobs. It also leads to too many people competing for those jobs.

When you cut immigration, it when large numbers of immigrants leave, those wages go up and more jobs are available.

It has been widely reported and researched that young Brits have it incredibly hard in europe due to low wages, no jobs and high immigration.

It sounds bigoted. It sounds rude. It sounds mean. But its also true.

BoswellSolver · 17/12/2019 12:20

I also think the ridiculous idea that Tony Blair had about swelling the bottom of the population pyramid with workers to pay for the older top layer was short sighted in then extreme!

We are an ISLAND nation and once that massive population gets old, what then!? Do we invade France to annex more land to house our vast population??

Acidburn · 17/12/2019 15:22

@Lulualla are you unemployed because some immigrant took your dream job? Do you personally know people who are unemployed because immigrants took their jobs? There are plenty of jobs available for unskilled people where i live. In my local Nandos the majority of staff are immigrants, BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE applied for the job.

Lulualla · 17/12/2019 15:28

@Acidburn

My personal circumstances dont change the facts. Your personal circumstances dont change the facts.
The independent, non-political body who do all the research for this and advise whichever government is in power on the figures have been very clear in the impact of unskilled immigration. Every other body who check these figures come to the same conclusion. This is fact. Not fiction, and not politically driven interpretation.

There are other factors as well. Immigration isn't the only one. But it is involved and changing immigration does change job availability and pay levels.

Your local nando's only get applications from immigrants? Well, I'm a business owner. I'm a jeweller. I own several boutiques and run hundreds of pop-up art events every year so I have permanent staff and I need temporary event staff. For every post I advertise, I get around 40 responses. Forty people looking for 1 job. And they aren't all immigrants; it's a mix.

HopeClearwater · 17/12/2019 17:55

Amazon use a lot of Eastern European labour because they are more likely to pass the drugs tests than indigenous British workers. So yeah, maybe an ‘immigrant’ took someone’s job. That someone should make themselves more employable and not drive the delivery vans while under the influence.

Iggly · 17/12/2019 18:56

Welfare shouldn't be so utterly common. It's for those in actual need, not a 'top up' or nice little extra

It isn’t a nice little extra but I agree, it shouldn’t be more common.

However where I disagree with many Tories is that it is in the gift of government to drive policies which increase the wealth overall of individuals. You can do this by growing the economy and finding incentives for higher paying industries to base themselves here. You can also give workers better protections so that they get paid decent wages. This doesn’t have to be militant unions - there are other options.

We need to encourage industries such as green technology to base themselves here in the UK - this creates decent jobs. Fucking shame that George Osborne cut subsidies in this area which meant investment was pulled. How short sighted.

Also if the public sector spends money, that puts money into the hands of people via wages who spend that money in the economy. It puts money in the hands of businesses (eg where the public sector uses their services), which increases wages and ultimately more money for people to spend.

Such a shame that the Tories can only offer cuts which result in bloated debt levels.

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