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To have cried!

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7dayslater · 13/12/2019 13:11

I'm 19. DS is 18 months.

I live with DP & DS. I work hard, I have 2 jobs. DP works too. So, no we don't just sit on our arses, but we still need UC help to pay the bills. I want(ed) to train and work in the NHS. I'm also interested in politics.

So yeah, when I woke up this morning and saw the election result I cried. Austerity is very real, it's not a joke or a fictional story. With the way it is right now, I cannot afford an education. I cannot afford to study for a career. I'm stuck where I am.

Sadder still, others have it far worse. There are children in poverty, a homelessness crisis, the NHS is crumbling when people need it more than ever. I can respect democracy. I can respect the vote. But I have to ask, for people like me - what now?Sad

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OrangeTwirl · 13/12/2019 17:53

DoesntLeftOverTurkey. Why would someone need an ambulance for a broken leg?

A broken leg doesn't prevent them sitting in a car

ethelfleda · 13/12/2019 17:53

are you saying that everyone who voted Labour did so in the best interests of other people

No. I did not say that.

BeatriceTheBeast · 13/12/2019 17:55

I do believe, in a civilised society, that we should ensure people are housed, warm, fed and watered. Thankfully, in the UK, they generally are (although I understand homelessness needs to be addressed but, as upsetting as the numbers are, they are thankfully the minority of people).

I think you'd be surprised!

I know someone who volunteers in a homeless shelter and many of the people who use it go to work during the day, some of them as carers for vulnerable adults in care homes or through agencies where they care for them in their homes. So, we, as a society are paying the people who care for the elderly and vulnerable, so little that they cannot afford a roof over their heads.

If they are offered emergency accommodation it takes them so far from work that they cannot possibly do the commute.

I also knew of a family whose landlord didn't renew their tenancy as he wanted to sell. They couldn't get another flat because they received housing benefit (both parents work full time). They were offered accommodation so far from their children's school that it would have been a huge commute for them. I mean huge, as in hours on public transport. Their eldest was in the middle of GCSEs and in the new area with the accommodation they were offered, there were no places for their dcs to attend school. So, the family ended up sofa surfing and sleeping in their car so that their dcs could attend school.

Wonder how many people who think "hardly anyone gets left homeless you know" live in or near London. Because it is a lot more common than you might think.

TheBlueStocking · 13/12/2019 17:56

@OrangeTwirl

Well we know you certainly don't have any basic medical knowledge at least. Unless this is some wry attempt at satirical humour.

If not, yes, you could quite easily break your leg and not be able to sit in a car.

SilverOtter · 13/12/2019 17:57

It may not be easy to go back to education, but it is possible.

I say this as a mother of two small boys (7 and 2) and I am in my first year of medical school. I get a student loan and top it up by having a part time job too. It's hellishly hard going but I'm gambling that it will be worth it eventually.

Figure out what you want to do, then make it happen.Smile

BeatriceTheBeast · 13/12/2019 17:57

DoesntLeftOverTurkey. Why would someone need an ambulance for a broken leg?

A broken leg doesn't prevent them sitting in a car

Um...yes, it absolutely can prevent them for sitting. Depends on the break. But I think you're possibly watching a fire burn in someone's house here and busy arguing about the colour of the walls.

BeardyButton · 13/12/2019 18:00

@scrambledeggs01 yup. I have worked in ed in the UK and abroad. The situation in the UK is already horrific. Working as a teacher in such a climate is truly awful. Buying school supplies from my own pay etc. I ve heard the same goes for police and nhs staff.
Im lucky because I have left. I spent a good portion of my working life in the UK. I am really sad for a place that welcomed me so long ago and where I have so many friends. I do worry about the knock on economic effects worldwide of this. I dont think anyone (who are not already very very rich and invested in catastrophe funds) is going to be benefited by this, in UK and Europe.

churchandstate · 13/12/2019 18:00

The people who struggle to work and pay tax you mean?

All the people.

ethelfleda · 13/12/2019 18:01

Basically... listen up all poor people. It’s your fault you’re poor. Don’t expect us to care.

But of course if we lose our jobs or become ill etc etc we will expect to be looked after.

That about sums it up I think.

OrangeTwirl · 13/12/2019 18:02

Well we know you certainly don't have any basic medical knowledge at least. Unless this is some wry attempt at satirical humour.If not, yes, you could quite easily break your leg and not be able to sit in a car

Go on... I'm sure you have spent 12 hours a day juggling ambulances according to need.

Heart attack, bleeding profusely or broken bone. Which would you prioritise?

OrangeTwirl · 13/12/2019 18:04

Um...yes, it absolutely can prevent them for sitting. Depends on the break. But I think you're possibly watching a fire burn in someone's house here and busy arguing about the colour of the walls

Biscuit
BeatriceTheBeast · 13/12/2019 18:06

Ah, a reasoned and intelligent response there @OrangeTwirl. At least nobody could accuse you from having taken more than your fair share on the education front 🙊.

BeardyButton · 13/12/2019 18:07

Ethelfleda. Yes. Except when it happens to them they will think its different. They were responsible. They strived. The other poor are scroungers.
Sad thing is.... Given the state og the UK, its now much more likely to happen to them. And when it does, they ll have voted to dismantle the welfare system becuase of all the scroungers and there being not enough to go around. Depressing.

TheBlueStocking · 13/12/2019 18:08

I think everyone who needs an ambulance should get an ambulance - it's a wacky concept I know.

crosstalk · 13/12/2019 18:14

Londongirl I sympathise. However when your mother had you in a local hospital, it was during the extended tory government. Unfortunately one of the things the Labour party did to keep huge investments off the books was build hospitals and schools using PFI which often meant the repayments were so high wards had to be closed. It was Labour who introduced tuition fees in 1998. It was Labour who took us into the second Iraq war. It was understandable Corbyn got elected to leader, but he was not the man to lead the party.

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn · 13/12/2019 18:16

DoesntLeftOverTurkey. Why would someone need an ambulance for a broken leg?

A broken leg doesn't prevent them sitting in a car

Yes it does. How many broken legs have you seen?

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn · 13/12/2019 18:17

Or rather yes it can

DoesntLeftoverTurkeySoupDragOn · 13/12/2019 18:19

How do you propose getting someone into a car when their foot is turned 90 degrees to the normal orientation? Or when there is bone poking out of their leg?

OldQueen1969 · 13/12/2019 18:20

I read alot on Mumsnet but don't often comment, but this thread has my attention because it echoes some of the social media posts I've been seeing and honestly I feel for the OP, who obviously wants to get ahead , provide for her child, get into a field of work that benefits the wider population and be a good example to her child. I'm astonished at the criticism levelled at her, and I am also downcast following the election results. I had a bit of a strop on Facebook this morning but as I'm 50 years of age and am supposed to have my shit together, I'm trying to play the game.

I agree with the concept of personal responsibilty, but I know from my decades of experience that the best laid plans of mice and men can be decimated by one poor stroke of fate. People, and quite often it is female people, disproportionately so, are often called upon to put aside their career aspirations to provide care because their contribution to the economy is somehow less valued, and besides, women are allegedly better at that sort of thing. It is framed to women as a choice of course, but it doesn't feel like much of one.

Caring for your own children is seen as anachronistic - working women should keep going, even if they are paying someone almost their whole income in child care, because they should be thinking of their own future and not be dependent on any man. At the same time, they are supposed to be nurturing a small human and placing them above all else.

Employment is precarious, and not as plentiful as is suggested. Zero hours contracts, part-time, etc etc...... and the bar is set higher and higher for applicants. As you get older, trying to get a job is very disheartening - too old, over-qualified, even menial jobs with no hope of progression have been elevated to a level of competitiveness that astounds me.

Higher Education leaves one with mounting debt and less guarantee of secure employment than it ever did.

Housing - also precarious and over-priced.

In what world did it become the norm that in order to live modestly, one needed two incomes AND top ups from the state? Our free market economy (which isn't and can never be properly that) is designed so that those who have the most can accrue more and more - those who have the least have to fight for every penny and go cap in hand to try and aspire to an even slightly comfortable lifestyle. But then, if we're all kept busy fighting for the scraps, we won't go after those who are so much better off financially.

We are supposed to have choices, but they don't seem very appealing, and this attitude that suffering and stress is somehow admirable and character building is alarming - because it leads to poor mental and physical health and people who may well have been contributors to society burn out and cost the country even more money, if one is intent on seeing life as a balance sheet.

I was hoping that the country would see a bigger picture and move towards evening things out in terms of opportunity, rather than continuing on this peculiar race to the bottom that the entire world economy seems to be based on. I'm not advocating for communism, but some people are happy with a simple life and having "enough" to do their own thing - others want to strive for bigger and better things - but the latter shouldn't get to marginalise and penalise the former because money is power and that's all that matters.

Whatever the future holds, I wish the OP well, and everyone else who is struggling. Those who aren't - I hope you don't have to experience the iniquity heaped upon those whose lives, despite making what seemed like the right choices in the moment, have been cruelly disappointed, and then left unsupported.

OrangeTwirl · 13/12/2019 18:22

Ah, a reasoned and intelligent response there@OrangeTwirl. At least nobody could accuse you from having taken more than your fair share on the education front

My job doesn't deal with fires or the colour of someone's walls. What does either have to do with benefits or broken legs? Sorry! Are you on drugs? How do you expect me to react after a 12 hour shift to be confronted with this madness? 🤷‍♀️ Please explain. ...

BeatriceTheBeast · 13/12/2019 18:22

What really concerns me is that orange seems to have implied that she is somehow involved in making serious decisions about prioritising patients on 999 calls. But she is 100% that broken legs don't prevent you sitting in a car... um... yikes.

TheBlueStocking · 13/12/2019 18:22

OldQueen1969

Very well said.

OrangeTwirl · 13/12/2019 18:24

Yes it does. How many broken legs have you seen

More than you - obviously!

TheBlueStocking · 13/12/2019 18:25

The broken leg analogy is apposite because a decent human being would think you should be helped to get back on your feet, even if it cost the country money. Whereas, apparently, young mothers don't deserve any help to get back on their feet with a decent education, which will reap the reward of them and their children being in a better position to be a productive member of society.

BeatriceTheBeast · 13/12/2019 18:26

Ah, so rather than say you didn't understand, you said Biscuit? Very mature and reasonable of you.

My point was, you are focussing on the broken leg example up thread, as if this is the point of the conversation. It isn't. The point someone was making was that ambulances are a public service. If public services continue to be cut as they have been, there may not be enough ambulances for people who actually need them. Whether it was a broken leg or a heart attack actually doesn't matter in the context of the conversation.

So in my analogy, (admittedly not a great analogy), the fire burning was the lack of public services, the wall colour was whether a broken leg required an ambulance at all.

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