So who's going to replace Corbyn?

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Worst election defeat since Michael Foot in the 80s. Surely Labour has to realise that they need someone to appeal to the masses and the floating voters like me who would never vote for the Momentum crowd.

Keir Starmer is impressive. He's bright, articulate and has a life outside politics. Would Yvette Cooper be up for it?

And more importantly, can the Momentum lot take their blinkers off and realise that THEY are the problem?

oh yeah i forgot she was up in scotland ha.

I'd also like to see Yvette Cooper or Keir Starmer. They've both been strong voices in issues close to my heart.

It's not just Corbyn, they need a complete clear out at the top. Get rid of Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott. They need a lot of fresh blood in to rejuvenate the party because it's not electable in its current state.

It not about firsts at the moment im afraid though. Its about binging the end of this awful austerity and conservative caused depression

Can we please have a labour leader that has moved on since new labour years. We don't need another Bush hugging war mongering Tony Blair (RIP David Kelly).

Keir Starmer or Yvette Cooper for me

I'm usually a Labour voter and didn't vote Labour this time. Not just because of Corbyn tbf, but he was a factor. Glad he is standing down. I don't think he is a bad man, a bad MP, or a bad politician, but he is not a good leader for Labour imo. It's gone from bad to worse under him.

I think it’s odd to hear so many people saying Labour went too far to the Left, that Corbyn was a total crackpot, that people just don’t want nationalisation/Socialism etc. and that what the Labour Party needs is someone centrist in the mould of Blair, because he was more electable. The reality is that ten million people - a third of the electorate - clearly DO want those left-wing policies. A huge number of people. And those people voted Labour at what you could argue seems to be the party’s darkest hour since World War Two.

What would have happened in this election if Brexit and the anti-Semitism crisis hadn’t been factors?

I sort of agree @churchandstate, but I think many Labour voters or potential Labour voters were put off my Corbyn's lack of clarity on Brexit. So, you can't really separate the Corbyn factor, (it's a lot like the Krypton Factor ), from Brexit. Ditto anti-semitism. Momentum seemed to play a big part in that. Thay fucking idiot making fun of a Jewish, Labour MP and accusing her of collaborating with journalists. Dick. I'm sure he was from Momentum.

A friend of mine works at Westminster and said Momentum behaved like utter thugs there. So, that particular brand of left leaning politics, no, most people do not support it.

This is 1983 all over again, with Corbyn as Foot and Momentum as Militant. These self-righteous wankers would rather be virtuous than elected.
Then It took Labour 3 more leaders and 14 more years to recover.

So, that particular brand of left leaning politics, no, most people do not support it.

I didn’t say they did. What I'm saying is that the policies themselves weren’t the issue. And I am not sure Corbyn himself was the issue. I think the two dominant factors were Brexit and the anti-Semitism crisis. I’m not even sure Corbyn would have done better if he had taken a clearer stance on Brexit; whichever stance he had taken would have alienated a large chunk of his voters.

By Corbyn's*
That fucking idiot*

It's got to be Keir or Jess. Anything else and Labour is just not serious enough about winning again.

They need Diane Abbott our too ,she’s a liability.
Can’t even dress herself properly, two left shoes on yesterday !

I've just re-joined the Labour Party so I can vote in the inevitable leadership election. I'd like to see Keri Starmer - measured, quick and pragmatic, Yvette Cooper or Jess Phillips.

The reality is that ten million people - a third of the electorate - clearly DO want those left-wing policies.

No it isn't. A lot of those probably only voted Labour to try to keep Boris out, not because they supported Momentum's Labour, or just voted Labour because that's what they always do. It's certainly not "proof" they wanted the extreme left wing policies - many would have been happy/happier with a more centralist Labour.

And anyway, as well know, it's "mondeo man" who wins/loses elections, i.e. the centralist floating voter. Labour will never gain power until they can appear to mondeo man.

No, you're probably right about the policies themselves, but JC is too close to Momentum and they have done Labour an enormous disservice with their tactics.

I think clarity would have helped with Brexit. Alienating either the die hard remainers or die hard Brexiteers would have been preferable imo. He needed to get the moderates on side and he didn't do that.

What I'm saying is that the policies themselves weren’t the issue.

Living in denial then.

Sorry that was to churchandstate.

The reality is that ten million people - a third of the electorate - clearly DO want those left-wing policies

Nope, most people probably disagreed with large parts of both manifestos.

It has to be a woman

Only if she's the best person for the job. I absolutely abhor the idea of giving it to the best woman, just because she's a woman. If there's a bloke who's more likely to win, i.e. better debater, better image in the media, better experience, more popular, etc, then the bloke needs to be given the job. If the best person is a woman, then of course, it should be her.

Nope, most people probably disagreed with large parts of both manifestos.

I can’t see a reason to think that. They voted for a party whose leader was mired in a personal image crisis, with no declared Brexit stance. What were they voting for, if not the policies?

I've just re-joined the Labour Party so I can vote in the inevitable leadership election.

You have to have been a member for 6 months at the freeze date to be eligible to vote. I sincerely hope JC goes sooner than that.

Kazzyhoward

I don’t agree. If JC was the issue, then clearly the policies weren’t, because ten million people voted for them, just three million fewer than voted for Johnson and three times the number who voted SNP.

I do think keeping the Tories out was as important to many voters as the policies themselves. That worked well then .