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to really despise people who won't let others talk politics

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UnderHisEyeBall · 11/12/2019 11:32

I have come across the phrase "it's turning into the House of Commons in here!", cue eyerolls, scoffing and lots of huffing about people daring to talk about politics. Usually by women sadly.

First, where did that godawful phrase come from? I didn't hear it until the EU referendum and then this election campaign, and secondly, why do the people who do this consider their position of political apathy politically superior? Yet also try to impose it on others? And are surprised when this doesn't go down well?

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OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 18:13

People are so angry and judgemental, what if it gets back to a client or a boss etc?

I mean, if someone is that much of a prejudiced arsehole that the mere fact that you vote for a party he doesn't like means he mistreats you in future, we are in serious trouble. I'm sure it happens, in the same way that sexism and racism happens. For me, the answer is not to keep quiet, just in case a bigoted wanker doesn't like the cut of my jib.

If you keep discussion respectful and are open minded instead of getting tribal about it and digging your heels in, I believe that in the part of the UK I now live in at least, there is more to be gained than lost by having open discussion about politics. But people are still very hesitant and purse lipped. Like when they're asked their age... another thing I don't get. Must be weird!

AutumnRose1 · 11/12/2019 18:15

Officer it pretty much kicked off before we’d even ordered.

I think the thing is, we are in such a state at the mo, it’s not worth the risk, many people want to shut down any controversial topic if it starts, and I understand why.

I might as well dance round the flat with a vodka in my hand if people are going out and don’t want to have a laugh!

OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 18:18

I wouldn't want to go out and have a laugh with someone who is incapable of civilised, intelligent conversation about politics if the subject comes up tbh, (not you, I mean your delightful sounding friends). If I felt I couldn't have a sensible conversation about politics or anything really with a friend, I personally wouldn't stick my head in the sand about who they are and go out drinking with them, while walking on eggshells around them.

But each to their own and all that.

AutumnRose1 · 11/12/2019 18:18

Officer “I mean, if someone is that much of a prejudiced arsehole that the mere fact that you vote for a party he doesn't like means he mistreats you in future, we are in serious trouble”

That happens all the time! It’s been happening since I was in my first workplace 25 years ago!

OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 18:21

And politics can be such an entertaining subject. I really don't get where the idea that people who like talking about politics can't have a laugh comes from. Most people who are really engaged in the world and like to talk about important issues are interesting and witty IME. It's not boring at all to discuss politics with people who also like doing so. But then I am biased a little as I said^^ and also possibly a massive nerd 🤓.

OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 18:23

That happens all the time! It’s been happening since I was in my first workplace 25 years ago!

I'm sure it does happen. In fact I think I said that in the bit you cut off my quote. But I personally do not accept that the answer to that level of bigotry is going underground and not ever mentioning who you vote for. If it was sexual orientation or religion, then you wouldn't tell people just to keep quiet and never mention it I hope.

AutumnRose1 · 11/12/2019 18:23

Officer “ I really don't get where the idea that people who like talking about politics can't have a laugh comes from”

I guess for a lot of us it’s just very upsetting now and has been for some time.

hsegfiugseskufh · 11/12/2019 18:25

I thought it was common knowledge not to talk about politics. Like dont work with children or animals. Grin i think it tends to bring out the worst in people to be honest.

AutumnRose1 · 11/12/2019 18:26

Officer sorry, did t realise I had cut you off, probably too tired for this chat.

I now do not disclose any personal information at work ever, though there was one job where I had to invent a boyfriend because of constant lesbian jibes (20 years ago).

And people can’t just look for another job. I keep my head down, my gob shut, my personal life personal.

OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 18:26

I guess for a lot of us it’s just very upsetting now and has been for some time.

Right, and your answer is to pretend it isn't happening, never discuss it and dance around with a vodka in your hand, hanging out with people who you can't even have a proper conversation with because you "don't discuss politics". Sweet jesus. That is thoroughly depressing. But I do understand it.

AutumnRose1 · 11/12/2019 19:07

“ That is thoroughly depressing”

Is it? I don’t know. People who’ve supported me through illness, major injury, and my fathers death....if we don’t discuss politics but look after each other in the real sense, that’s fine with me.

AutumnRose1 · 11/12/2019 19:09

OP says she “really despises” people who don’t discuss politics, which I think is very odd 🤷🏻‍♀️

Loopytiles · 11/12/2019 19:11

YABU for not stating where / in what circumstances you were talking about politics.

OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 19:19

For me it is, yes, thoroughly depressing but then, my upbringing in NI means and as my choice of degree subject indicstes that I consider politics very important. It's impossible for me to imagine my life without that interest, but if you plain aren't bothered, then yes, of course you will see things differently and not care to discuss it. And that's fine, for you.

Like the op though, what does bother me is when people say "no, we aren't discussing politics, because them's the rules". No, YOU aren't discussing politics, because you don't care to. I and whoever wants to, are discussing it and lucky for me, we do and always do so in a perfectly civilised way. If I thought it was going to be an uncivilised discussion, then obviously I would change the subject. But I would never then say politics is off the table as a subject. That isn't something I would do. I wouldn't go out of my way to censor all future conversations, because we once fell out over x, y or z.

Different if you don't naturally lean towards discussing politics with your friends or family, but honestly, even my granparents were very interested in politics (socialist; I am not really). We all had different views but we always discussed it, because we respected each others opinions, even if they weren't exactly the same.

This is all hypothetical anyway, because I've actually not had a member of the conversation police wade in mid chat to say "we aren't discussing politics here", except when I see it aimed at other people on SM. I just can't imagine it happening IRL. But you never know

OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 19:20

OP says she “really despises” people who don’t discuss politics, which I think is very odd 🤷🏻‍♀️

No, she doesn't! She says she despises people who try to stop people talking about politics.

OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 19:21

For me it is, yes, thoroughly depressing but then, my upbringing in NI means and as my choice of degree subject indicates, I consider...

Sorry, I mean^^

Excuse typos.

Blueshadow · 11/12/2019 19:26

I was sitting amongst 8 year olds today who told me firmly that x party leader should get in and y party leader should be hung. So I think there is probably enough political discussion being had.
I also dislike being asked who I’m going to vote for.

Moomin12345 · 11/12/2019 19:27

Why not discuss genital warts publicly too while we're at it?

OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 19:30

Well, I mean, you can if you like Moomin... and while I appreciate that some members of our HoC seem to have all the integrity of a genital wart, the reason people like to discuss politics is because it affects everyone in the country and beyond. Genital warts are a bit more niche really and only concern you and your SO.

OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 19:32

Public life and issues around public services are..public. Genital warts are less public and more pubic (arf). Ahem. Sorry.

Vinorosso74 · 11/12/2019 19:35

I am sick of people who start up a conversation about politics to have a rant. In my experience it's those who have an issue with immigrants, vited for Brexit and spout the Daily Fail.

Loopytiles · 11/12/2019 19:45

I’m interested in politics but don’t enjoy talking about it in most circumstances.

In groups of acquaintances or colleagues talking about politics often exposes differences, which can feel awkward.

Some people talk about politics loads, expressing strong views, and don’t want to listen to others’ views or stop talking in response to subtle social cues that others want to change the subject. Have friends and family members like this, tedious.

AutumnRose1 · 11/12/2019 19:48

“ She says she despises people who try to stop people talking about politics.”

Ah yes. Apologies OP.

OfficerPetriHawkinsByrd · 11/12/2019 20:05

Some people talk about politics loads, expressing strong views, and don’t want to listen to others’ views or stop talking in response to subtle social cues that others want to change the subject. Have friends and family members like this, tedious

Again, this isn't a problem with the subject but with the person discussing it. If the conversation turns to politics and nobody wants to discuss it but you, it would take someone with extremely poor social skills not to notice that they are the only one droning on about it.

That doesn't mean that ALL discussion about politics is bad.

Loopytiles · 11/12/2019 21:59

Sure