Corbyn crushing capitalism WTAF

[Considermesometimes]

I am a labour supporter, I am even a labour member but I woke up with a pit of dread in my stomach about tomorrow.

It is not the massive nationalisation programme labour have pledged, nor the spending and wasting of trillions of pounds that keeps me awake, it is not even the idea of having Corbyn as PM as weak and as inept as he is.

It is having Momentum in charge of our country (with Corbyn held as a fig leaf so to speak) and their plans to crush capitalism that bothers me the most.

You can't simply crush capitalism, it is the financial world order that we are all part of, not just this country but most of the countries in the world. The idea that we can simply skip back to the 70s socialism in today's global world is ridiculous.
Labour will take over our companies by force, forced closure of private schools, taking over perceived empty homes after six months regardless of circumstances. This is the plan for an authoritarian state forcing a very hard left agenda, not a democratic civilised western country.

Do we suppose people will just stand idly by and let their schools be closed, their homes taken away, and see the deficit spiral out of control? Do we suppose companies being whacked with massive tax hikes and draconian state intervention will just stay in the UK?

No, it will cause a level of crisis and chaos we have never seen before as the labour government try to over throw capitalism and instal their new agenda, and all of this on the backdrop of the hate and division that will be caused by called another brexit referendum! It really does not bear thinking about.

I voted remain, but I honestly hate to think what a second referendum will do to the fabric of our country. It was bad enough the first time around.

I am genuinely feeling sick at the prospect of tomorrow. It is going to be the day of reckoning one way or another.

Littletabbyocelot this is the reality and I’m sorry to hear what your family is going through.
But it seems so much easier for some to pretend/believe that people needing state support are scrounging scum.

Tomorrow will be OK.

It’s the results on Friday that we need to worry about!

I think the fact that people think nationalising the rail network , something that is fairly common elsewhere is extreme shows alot people just don't understand politics.

I think the fact that people think nationalising the rail network , something that is fairly common elsewhere is extreme shows alot people just don't understand politics.

The maths on Corbyn’s plans for nationalisation (as with many other things) simply don’t add up.

I have previously voted labour but will not vote for Corbyn for several reasons: 1. His claims to spend money and fix everything are not based in reality so won’t work because magic money doesn’t actually exist. 2. I don’t share his belief that regimes like Russia are a better way to run things than capitalism. 3. Labour MPs I respect and Jewish leaders have serious concerns about him leading the country.

Nationalising the railway is clearly a popular vote winner for Labour and not many people view it as extreme.

He has plenty of policies to point at. And the number of pledges he has made uncosted since his manifesto as well of course!

I am a labour supporter, I am even a labour member

Of course you are.

I find the principle of the state seizing private assets extremely worrying. The rail and utility companies are now, rightly or wrongly, private assets.

If they do this, what’s to stop the, taking my pension fund or my house?

Also, I think governments are generally shit at running things - I’m old enough the remember British rail and it was much worse than the services I use now (accepting there are some very shit services I don’t use).

it is all in the manifesto, read it yourself.

Yeah, it’s not though is it?

I found the sell off of public assets for the benefit of shareholders and to the detriment of millions of ordinary people very worrying.

I don't know how anyone can think rail privatisation has been a success.

Hermione they are not private assets they’re contracted and no one is going to take your house. I mean are you being serious?

You're as much a Labour party member as Farage.

Who are you kidding OP? You're a scare-mongering Tory. Nothing less

Ha! As l much of a Labour party member as Farage? You're so deluded you cant speak to people outside your echo chamber. I'm an ex party member and I agree with her. I have a family member who devoted their life to the Labour party and they agree.

Moderate Labour party members and supporters are being massively displaced.

I've heard John McDonnell being interviewed about "democratising" large companies and making them be less insistent on short term profits by forcing them to alter their Board.

Oh the absolute horror! You do realise that this is what happens in Germany, right? In fact, the Tories previously said that they would do this (though, of course, it never came to fruition).

Very few countries are 100% capitalist. Many successful European countries have a significant socialist component.
Even the UK isn't full on capitalist. There are state schools, the NHS, public roads, etc.
You'll have to choose between social services disappearing or being reinforced.

What a load of old bollocks.

Morning Dominic

@GCAcademic

I'd love some info and links if you have it?

My horror is not on that one point but on the vigorous, wholesale, ambitious plans for every single area of economics and politics.

With such a shopping spree manifesto, and again add to that all the billions added after the manifesto was released, where is the targeted reform in a few key areas that people can vote and debate on?

It's a cacophony of very left wing policies.

Would anyone like to see Johnson run away from a journalist and hide in a fridge?

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157701444921636&id=13312631635

@GloGirl

Germany: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codetermination_in_Germany

UK companies resisting Theresa May's policy to have workers on boards:

www.personneltoday.com/hr/businesses-resist-worker-representation-on-boards/

I'm surprised at the "horror . . . on the vigorous, wholesale, ambitious plans for every single area of economics and politics." I do agree it's a lot to do all at once (and therefore probably won't all happen at once) but most of these policies are no more that other European countries have. The people who are saying that they will go abroad because of something like increased corporation tax, for example, will find that most developed countries actually have a higher rate than Corbyn is proposing.

I won't be voting Labour, by the way, but that's for different reasons entirely.

it is all in the manifesto, read it yourself.

It isn’t and I have.

HTH.

Sorry you are getting a hard time op. I know quite a few ex labour members and supporters who are either voting Tory or not voting at all. Labour have gone too far left and there has been concern about momentum for a very long time.

What on earth makes you think this country was 'socialist' in the 70s?

The top tax rate was 90 per cent. The Unions brought down a Labour government. Three day week. Power cuts. WTF would you call it?