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To be bored sh*tless of "look at BoJos lies" threads

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otterturk · 10/12/2019 15:42

Not a fan of Boris. Not a Tory bot.

There seems to be another "look at my dossier"/"read this article"/"read these lies!" Thread every 4.5 seconds. I'm bored to the point of losing the plot over this.

Again, not a Boris fan but I like to think that people can educate themselves without yet another bloody thread implying they're deluded or living under a bush?

Bore off. Please. We can all read without your helpful suggestions.

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Helmetbymidnight · 10/12/2019 16:27

the pretence that the way boris and his colleagues behave is 'normal' or 'unexceptional' is really dangerous to the country.

joyfullittlehippo · 10/12/2019 16:27

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Equanimitas · 10/12/2019 16:30

Who exactly forces you to click on those threads?

tellmeaboutyourchildhood · 10/12/2019 16:30

YANBU, but there's a silver lining. It means I spend less time glued to a screen, which is probably for the best!

Kubo · 10/12/2019 16:31

Corbyn is a terrible person with whom I share some principles and whose weaknesses I abhor. Swinson is a not great person who I was willing to vote for on the basis of her Brexit position, until she opened her mouth about self-ID and proved herself an easily led idiot.

Johnson is an irredeemably terrible terrible person who has made my skin crawl since I first became aware of him. I cannot bear that he is PM and I cannot bear that there are people who are willing to let him continue. There is simply no comparison between the terribleness of the alternatives to BJ and the overwhelming terribleness of BJ himself.

Monsterinmyshoe · 10/12/2019 16:38

Ok, we'll just ignore all the lies then? That's really helpful.

There are threads about this from both sides, not just Tory ones. Both piss me off as it's really divisive. My Dad will vote against how I would vote, but I couldn't give a shit because he is really ill right now. Political stances become less important with things like that going on.

I don't trust Boris for a lot of things and it's nice to know I'm not alone, so I don't mind.

You could just ignore them, unless you really are a Tory bot? Hmm

NiteFlights · 10/12/2019 16:50

It’s a sad day when the Prime Minister is such an irredeemable, habitual liar that people are tired of hearing about it.

I don’t think there can be enough threads pointing out how appalling Boris Johnson is.

Even his OWN SIBLINGS have called him out as a dangerous liar.

Sir John Major is telling people they should be afraid of a Conservative majority FFS.

It can’t be said enough that he is a pathological liar, motivated only by self-interest, and highly dangerous. If these threads make one person think again about Boris Johnson then they will have been worthwhile.

1066vegan · 10/12/2019 17:01

People start so many threads because we have never had a major politician, let alone a Prime Minister, as narcissistic and amoral as Boris Johnson.

I'll admit that I'm biased. I've hated the Tories since I was a teenager in Thatcher's Britain. I'm a paid up member of the Labour Party and also have a lot of respect for the Green Party.

BUT when even Johnson's former colleagues admit how worried they are by him, when a senior diplomat resigns because they can't face lying for him any more then you know there is a problem. There are Tory grandees who have devoted their life to the Conservative party who are asking people to vote tactically to get rid of Boris Johnson.

Other politicians in all parties will stretch the truth, put a spin on events, try to avoid awkward questions and repeat the party line even if they don't really believe in it. But none of them tell out and out lies the way he does. When people say "they all lie" that really isn't true. They may overpromise in the run up to an election. They may fail to fulfil all of their commitments. But very rarely do any of them tell actual lies. And none of them do to the extent that Johnson does. He's got sacked from more than one job because of it.

I don't think Corbyn's handling of anti-semitism is comparable either. He may have dealt with it ineffectively, but he is not anti semitic himself (there are videos going back decades of anti-racism and anti-anti-semitism speeches that he's made).
Johnson, on the other hand has made racist, sexist and homophobic comments himself and has never apologised for any of them.

What worries me most about Boris Johnson is his populist, anti-democratic tendencies. He is straight out of the totalitarian handbook (watch the BBC documentary on The Rise of the Nazis or google Hannah Arendt).

He chucked Conservatives who opposed him out of the party, preferring to lose his majority rather than allow dissent (even though he voted against Theresa May). He unlawfully prorogued parliament because he didn't think that the legislature should be able to hold the executive to account. He paid lip service to obeying the supreme court judgement but made it clear that he disagreed. He chose to call an election even though Parliament had given his withdrawal bill a 2nd reading, because that was preferable to allowing the bill to be scrutinised properly.

He banned Daily Mirror journalists from the campaign bus because he doesn't want scrutiny. His campaign has included altering a Good Morning video to make it appear that Keir Starmer was unable to answer questions, and renaming a Conservative Twitter handle to make it appear to be an independent factchecking site.

Page 48 of the Conservative manifesto is particularly worrying as it shows that he wants to make far reaching constitutional changes, no doubt to allow greater powers to the executive.

It's telling that a party which has been in power for 9 years is asking people to vote for it on the basis of what it's going to do in the future rather than on the basis of what it has achieved in the last 9 year.

Helmetbymidnight · 10/12/2019 17:04

well bloody said 1066.

1066vegan · 10/12/2019 17:05

Thank you @Helmetbymidnight

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 10/12/2019 17:07

The problem is the majority of the press are right/Tory owned. So the only form of balance is social media.

Plus people are deathly afraid of what Boris Britain means.

QueenoftheBiscuitTin · 10/12/2019 17:11

They all lie. I stay away from threads from people who try to shove their political views down everyone else's throats.

NameChangeNugget · 10/12/2019 17:11

Don’t read the threads but, it is difficult to stop, the straw clutching is hilarious. Left wing echo chambers confirm my reason for resigning my Labour Party membership.

No doubt when Corbyn is trounced on Thursday, the election will have been rigged. Grin

1066vegan · 10/12/2019 17:13

I stay away from threads from people who try to shove their political views down everyone else's throats

Ironically posted on a political thread. Confused

12goldstars · 10/12/2019 17:26

I posted something earlier OP. I’m not a bot. I’m genuinely concerned that people are believing the lies that they are told. I don’t love the current Labour Party but Johnson and his politics are terrifying. You just need to read the conservative manifesto to see how they plan to water down democracy. Yes people can read and think for themselves. The problem is that some people seem to have lost the ability to think critically and believe anything they’re told. Posts that challenge these thoughts are useful. If they get through to just one person then they’re worth it.

Helmetbymidnight · 10/12/2019 17:37

i find it weird that people genuinely seem to think only left-wingers find boris utterly objectionable.

what makes them think that?

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 10/12/2019 17:37

I guess could not bother reading them

It’s no secret and never has been that Boris Johnson is a liar and absolutely ruthless - I’m not sure what posters feel they will achieve by telling others what they already know - but for some this proves he is the best leader at this point in time

I don’t think he is fit to be PM (and neither do I believe JC is) but both have those that will defend them and make excuse after excuse and those that absolutely detest them for various reasons

I don’t think being dishonest and ruthless has ruined that many careers in politics - it’s such a different level of expectations we have for them than any other profession

Helmetbymidnight · 10/12/2019 17:41

what is the objection to having people talk about boris crap behaviour though?

i dont get why this would annoy people enough so they would actually ask people to stop.?

NiteFlights · 10/12/2019 17:41

No doubt when Corbyn is trounced on Thursday, the election will have been rigged.

Have you read any of the threads? is this some sort of projection? People are afraid of a Conservative majority. There are very very few out-and-out Corbyn supporters on these threads - if any.

Everytimeref · 10/12/2019 17:44

Independent research has shown that 86% of the adverts released by the Tories are based on lies, whereas the Labour adverts haven't had a single lie in them.

Helmetbymidnight · 10/12/2019 17:45

apparently anyone who doesnt like boris is a momentum bot, in a left wing echo chamber or got their head up corbyns arse.

unfortunately thats how thick some mn are.

YouTheCat · 10/12/2019 17:46

Maybe if he stopped lying there wouldn't be so many threads?

Here is something interesting

Codywolf · 10/12/2019 17:46

Yanbu

EmmaOvary · 10/12/2019 17:48

...so you started a thread about BoJo to moan about how many threads about BoJo there are? 'Kay then!

JacquesHammer · 10/12/2019 17:48

If only there was a way to not read threads that one isn’t interested in.

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