To think it's odd when elderly parents vote for things that adversely affect their children and grandchildren?

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Take Brexit and people who lost their jobs as a result...just why?
And my dad. I tried explaining that the Tories cut the NHS bursary so now i will be 60, 000 in debt when i graduate and he just sai " so what?" and " labour brought in the student loan." Yes dad...and without a student loan i wouldn't be able to retrain at all and wpuld be sruck in a minimum wage, zeri hour vontract job.
It's like people know who they want to vote for and won't listen to others...even though i listen to his concerns on immigration( with his lovely immigrant dp sitting beside him.) Cognative dissonance at its finest!

How great would it be if we could take away the vote from anyone with an undesirable opinion. We could get to a point in society where there is no need to vote at all because we would all think exactly the same, there would be no need for an opinion, wed never have to choose or think or discuss. Democracy at its finest

I think what would be better is everyone voting. Then moaning about the outcome would be forbidden. Really. People moan that the Conservatives make cuts and don’t spend. People moan that Labour spend.

If only people actually said what they wanted, as opposed to pretending they want great public services for a pittance. I think I would find that a bit less teeth grinding. The general public are pretty good at believing lies and fooling themselves too.

One could argue its bizzare older people vote to stay in the eu when it's increasingly looking toxic in every sense, politically its failing, forcing nations and their peoples to do what they don't want too, causing the resurgence of the far right.

Socially, societies are not becoming mote cohesive, fom only benefits small sections of eu members, and has caused deep immense harm, slavery is flourishing with open borders as is drugs and gun running.

It's caused massive problems in communities and caused brains drains in poor eu countries.

Economically... Well!! ... Sinking ship, dying whale...

How could anyone tie us, to this failing soviet era pile of crap?? How!!

Why!!

17Thehagonthehillwithtinsel

You are aware aren't you OP that the bursary, in countries where it hasn't been abolished, covers tuition fees? The bursary does aid living costs and has meant many mature students with family commitments have been able to retrain as a nurse or AHP?
That I have graduated this summer without a debt is entirely due to the 3 years of bursary.

I knew you were talking about brexit. It's fucking awful.

Yabvvvvu to assume you know what's best. No one can predict what's going to be best, remain or leave, so each person had to vote according to their own beliefs and conscience, and will do the same in the election this week.

It's very patronising to assume that their views will be detrimental to the GC.

The whole point of a democracy is that everyone has the right to an opinion and to vote as they think best.

I'm sure your parents vote with your DCs best interests at heart, it's just not what you think is best.

Lots of the older/ immediate baby boomer generation have forgotten that they've had free healthcare for all/most of their lives, cheaper property and a much higher level of security even on relatively low salaries . I'll never under stand why they'd willingly sabotage their kids/grandkids future but I also have in-laws who endlessly gloat about it so......

How could anyone tie us, to this failing soviet era pile of crap?? How!!

What a load of hysterical nonsense.

I had a conversation with my elderly dad about Brexit earlier this year. He voted leave but said he didnt really understand what he was voting for. I asked him if he would change his mind if he voted again and said no, because it wouldn't affect his generation anyway and he'd be dead by the time any changes took effect. I was a bit about it. He was right though as he sadly passed away a few months later.

What a load of hysterical nonsense.

Yep. The EU has done - is still doing - the very thing it was set up to do and it has done it spectacularly well. The whole enterprise was started by people who had served fought and seen horrible atrocities, on both sides, in the Second World War.

The whole EU project's real raison detre is to avoid future generations going through the hell of another land war in Europe.

The EU in that regard is an outstanding success.

And we are foolish beyond belief to walk away from it - especially with the jingoistic nationalistic mindset that got millions killed during the 20th century. Our kids will not forgive us. History will not forgive us.

(And for the record I'm 60.)

Ding dong ding dong ding dong - extremist view after extremist view . No one KNOWS what life after Brexit will be .
Give it a break folk FGS.

No but we sure as hell know what life, society and politics are like right now and thats not as a result of people voting to stay in the eu

People let the media do their thinking for them. That's the problem.

Our elderly people aren't stupid, they have been around a long time and seen many governments come and go. I wouldn't assume they don't know what they are doing.

Bit of a precious way to think op. People can't make decisions in their lives just to suit their kids etc.
Kids an people on general at some point havectok understand that everyone has different and conflicting views and priorities in lifr and its something you have to learn to cope with. You can't honestly think that you snd others are constantly going to bypass their true feeling and beleifs Just just so much have a better Life. Grow up vote for who you want and let them vote for who they want it's a democracy and difference of opinion is just part of life.

Brexit will affect elderly people as many NHS staff or care workers are EU immigrants. There is already a shortage of nurses and the number coming from EU has reduced since the referendum I think.

Whilst we cannot know the impact of brexit if and until it happens, the decision is not symmetrical in terms of risk. Ie we do know the status quo (remain), but there is a risk associated with Brexit. Of course there is a corresponding chance that things will improve, but the potential upsides and downsides are likely to affect different groups of people. Eg someone dependent on medical products from the EU could risk their health due to supply chain problems, but exporters may gain if the exchange rate of the pound stays low. I am most annoyed because I think that there are small groups that are very vulnerable regarding brexit. I don’t know of huge upsides that would outweigh this but maybe if people do they can post it.

EU immigrants are also patients though and our population has risen a lot in the pst 10 years due to EU immigration. 10 years ago our practice population was 6000 with few EU nationals and hardly any patients requiring double appointments because they didnt speak English. It is now 7500 and about a sixth of our patients are from the EU and many rspecoally Romanians require double appointments with translators.
The idea EU immigrants just give to the NHS and don't take from it is bizarre.
I voted remain but was pleased when the flow of immigrants to our area reduced.
Immigration has to be managed so the infrastructure can grow with the population.
It cant be great for Poland and Romania to lose so many people either

The problem for the Brexit vote is that pretty much everyone knows at least one person (and it has to be said they are usually older people) who voted Leave for some nonsense reason - eg an elderly man I know voted Leave “to show the Germans.... 2 World Wars, 1 World Cup and Brexit.” Or another older lady I know who voted Leave to “get the old money back.” Literally everyone knows someone like this and this is the reason it’s hard to respect the Leave vote. Even those who claim to have thought their Brexit vote through in economic terms and to have some insight that remainers are missing, won’t divulge what it is we’re missing. So what are you supposed to think?

@Stooshie8

No one KNOWS what life after Brexit will be like...

And yet every time there's a discussion with members of the public - Question Time for example - the Leavers say they know exactly what they were voting for.

My elderly parents don't agree with the closer political Union in the EU. They also say they remember life before we joined the Common Market and we'll be alright.

I disagree on both those points, but I've never known anything different than life in the EU. However I think my views are less insular, more tolerant due in no small point to growing up in different times. We just don't discuss it anymore. They live in a constituency which has returned a Labour MP in every election.

My main consideration when voting is the effect on the future of my children and grandchildren, in fact all my grandchildren's generation. I want to see things improve for them, not go back to the way my grandparents had to live. I am appalled that some people would like to disenfranchise me. There are ill informed people of all ages. Brexit is a very complicated matter and very few people fully understand all the implications. It was ridiculous to put it to an in/out vote but we are where we are now.

Agreed.

Especially odd is people who will shy away from potential problems for the younger generation but would be 100% happy to quickly add over a trillion pounds to the national debt those younger generations will inherit and suffer the (much worse) consequences of in their taxes and services than anything we can dream of today, for things like "free broadband".

I am 75 and dh is 83 . He voted for Brexit and I voted against it. I can see both sides but I do feel really that the past is down to our generation and the future will be controlled by the young.
All generations feel theirs will put everything right, I know we did.
I don’t like any of our current leaders here or in Europe and I am terrified for the future of my grandchildren but I feel the whole world is a political chess pit at the moment with Trump, Putin etc.

cess pit not chess pit!!

I dont understand why anyone would not vote to benefit their family tbh...i certainly vote for dds best interests...why wouldn't i?