To think it's odd when elderly parents vote for things that adversely affect their children and grandchildren?

[malificent7]

Take Brexit and people who lost their jobs as a result...just why?
And my dad. I tried explaining that the Tories cut the NHS bursary so now i will be 60, 000 in debt when i graduate and he just sai " so what?" and " labour brought in the student loan." Yes dad...and without a student loan i wouldn't be able to retrain at all and wpuld be sruck in a minimum wage, zeri hour vontract job.
It's like people know who they want to vote for and won't listen to others...even though i listen to his concerns on immigration( with his lovely immigrant dp sitting beside him.) Cognative dissonance at its finest!

What about the fact that as you get older you gain life experience, understand how macro-economics and global rating systems like Moody work

lol at the idea that many voters of any age understand this!

Please dont do this. There was a time when political views and more importantly a vote was private. Since Brexit everyone thinks they have a right to know and to harangue someone with a different view. Just stop it, everyone has a right to their views, right of wrong. Who is to say you are right??

I think it's odd that people choose to vote for anti-semites. HTH OP.

I think it's as odd that people choose to vote for Islamaphobes.

My DM is like this. I just don't talk to her about politics at all now as you can't have a reasonable discussion and she just sounds racist and a bit thick to be honest. I love my mum to bits and accept she won't change her views so I prefer to brush it all under the rug to be honest. She did once say something xenophobic in front of DD and I bollocked her and told DD that grandma was wrong and she's never done it again.

I watched the under 30 debate on the TV last night and I'm sure there were several thousands of eyebrows raised when a young woman expressed surprise that both her grandparents had been allowed a vote but she hadn't been allowed a vote at all (presumably because she was too young at the time). How very dare they!

OP does it occur to you that in some parts of the country, people of all generations voted Brexit? You know, because they believed it was in the interests of themselves and their families?

In my view, the most pressing issue facing us now is climate change and the potential political ramifications all over the world.

If someone can please explain to me how you can reconcile continual economic growth and international trade with saving the planet, I would be very interested to hear it. Likewise, how can you reconcile the huge increase in the population here, and the consequential increase in housing and infrastructure, with saving our own threatened flora and fauna.

If you listened to More or Less on Radio 4 this morning, you will probably be wondering how on earth anyone can trust anything that is said by ANY of the political parties! All lies and spin. Perhaps it should be the law that some independent fact checks are carried out on everything that they tell us BEFORE they tell us.

At the moment, I am a massive fence sitter as to who is showing the best way forward, but I am certainly not going to be throwing rocks at others for their opinions. In my view, we are all pretty much in the dark no matter how much we read, watch and listen.

@Stooshie8

"think it's odd that people choose to vote for anti-semites. HTH OP."

But is ok to vote for Islamaphobes, homophobes, xenophobes, and disabalists, and those that have driven 40% of children to live in poverty? Because that describes the Tories, and the Lib Dem's who were complicit as part of the coalition.

So not that "odd" the people would chose to vote for Jeremy Corbyn, is it?

Nobody gets to tell anyone else what their morals should be. Or indeed, if they should even vote according to those morals. Or vote at all.
We are all different and we all have different sets of priorities.
And while we are aggressively or piously telling everyone what they should or shouldn’t do, we aren’t being listened to.
If you want people to change their minds or their actions, they have to be inspired to do so. Not told they’re stupid for not thinking the same way you do.

@LexMitior

Well informed about Brexit...

Right. That’s why it’s been so simple to leave. It’s actually insanely complicated to do, so anyone who claims to be a well informed Leave voter is really deluded.

Completely agree. Anyone who claims they were well informed about Brexit or knew what they were voting for is spectacularly uninformed as they haven't even grasped the scale of what they've been asked. I heard a scientist describing the EU referendum as similar to asking the public to vote on what sort of nuclear reactor they should build at Hinkley Point, - Type A (really technical scientific word) or Type B (really technical scientific word).

This huge thing is a shit show and to me it's as bad as two parents fighting over custody of the dc.
Lots of bad mouthing and broken promises. Trying to work out which side is less damaging.
No one actually knew what the true out come of brexit was just media crap, everyone making a decision on a deal that hadn't be plan.
I think it's the most embarrassing thing to happen since the credit crunch!
Sorry had to vent.
I'm not voting for Either men I'm going to vote for the party it's self because they are just figure heads for the media!

It's selfish. It isn't their future they're ruining.

Put it another way: we had labour governments in the (recent) past. Did that work out ok in the long term for the country?

Absolutely not, look at the mess they've left. It's insane to want to repeat that and put us even more in the shit frankly.

Really? You can look at what you've got now, after all the Tory cuts, and say 'yes, please, let's have more of this'?
And I see the tired lie that 'they were cleaning up the mess that Labour made' - well they found enough money to bale out the greedy culpable bankers and buy the DUP fast enough. There's money for the things they (the Conservative party) want but not for the things they don't care about - like the NHS, the police, social welfare of nearly every type....

why do you think we had cuts in the first place... Unlike what labour is pretending, there's no unlimited funds, and when you can't manage them, it's a mess that needs to be tidied up. So thank you labour, that was great, but I don't want to go back to even worst . Why other people do is beyond me.

It seems that some posters think the "rich" will have to lose everything so the "poor" like us will suddenly have a life of plenty. Yeah right.

Hinge and Bracket
I would be less terrified if my mother and others who share her misinformation were more clued up to make an informed choice.

Its narrow minded. It's also selfish. But hey

There were 30,000 marching in Paris recently - because they want their generous pensions preserved (I. Think they still retire at 60 there) . French air traffic controllers were on strike last week. Germany has a serious problem with R wing fascist groups. All is not rosy across the water. EU have bribed Turkey to stop letting immigrants cross into Europe. It's hardly a perfect haven in Europe right now.

Well because people vote for themselves a lot of the time. Your grandparents may love you but if the party that brings in a debt for you alleviates some of their expenses then they will vote for what suits them knowing that you will vote for what suits you.

People also have different items which they consider important: some people are worried brexit, taxes, immigration and adult social care and others consider knife crime, the NHS and food banks to be more important.so they vote according to the manifesto which offers the best solution to their priorities.

That's how politics works. Sadly lots of people are thick and just vote for leader personality or what their family and friends have always voted.

It's hardly a perfect haven in Europe right now.

No-one is saying it is. This instant contrarism - if you don't support x, you must be devoted to Y, is such simplistic thinking.

And there were a lot more than 30 000 - the manif went on solidly from about 13h 30 to 19h 30. It was fairly peaceful this time, at least at the beginning. I don't know what the Nation end was like.

It all comes down to the stupid idea that lots of people seem to have that you can have amazing public services if you pay low rates of tax. You can’t. Every single election dances around this.

I’ve watched it for years. This week, after years of working for government, I bought private health insurance. I recently moved house to address growing crime problems.
Better schools too. In other words, I do not believe that new funding will come quickly. And if it did, it would take a decade to make a real difference. The Conservatives are just offering partially to restore what they took away, if that. It won’t suddenly all get better on Friday. You will have years of Brexit work to come. The Conservative manifesto has very little in it because it basically admits that the country and all their efforts will be for that.

Most people in this country are pretty poor. They vote Conservative. Frankly they are deluded and desperate. Each election things get shittier for them and their families. I completely understand why asset rich, middle class old people vote Conservative.

Sorry, been at work OP. Labour abolished the student grant system and introduced student loans. Not each side is perfect.

Blair's Labour introduced student loans in the 1990's. Corbyn consistently voted against the introduction of student loans, and against raising university fees.

She really doesn't understand what she's voting for and I find that terrifying.

There a millions of people who don't understand what they are voting for and they are a hell of a lot younger than 85.

Excellent post @ethelfleda

Have not RTFT but people are entitled to vote for whoever they like
That's the point
You can no more tell them how to vote than you can anyone else

It is awful and selfish and I am still waiting for my father to explain to me how the lives of his two daughters, me and my 25-year younger sister, will be improved by more limited access to work and living options. It's a completely false equivalence to say that from a leaver's POV remainers are being selfish.

Baling out the greedy bankers was really supporting all the people whose money was in those banks ie ordinary people. If the banks had gone bust huge numbers of ordinary people would have suffered. Taking over the banks until the economy picked up was sensible and I think a Gordon Brown idea not the Tories