To be sick of ‘turkey voting for Christmas’ comments if you are voting for a party somebody doesn’t like

[missingdale]

It’s a stupid analogy.

If I voted Labour, there would be some parts of their manifesto that would benefit me. Same for Conservatives and Lib Dems.

There are also things from each of the main parties that wouldn’t benefit me.

So AIBU to think I’ll vote for who the fuck I like?

And merry Christmas.

According to that calculator the poor struggling footballer would have to cope with take home pay of
£48253 a week
instead of the current £53212 a week
my heart bleeds
but I know that the £4959 a week he is losing will be well used in schools and hospitals

Jesus Christ Age I know

BUT politics is not just about more tax.

The footballer might want another referendum, and therefore feels Labour are his best bet. He then weighs up the cost of losing money in tax and benefits of staying in the EU.

This thread is so frustrating because people honestly can’t seem to see that some issues aren’t black and white. You win some, you lose some. I’ve benefited from some of Cameron / mays policies and not others; likewise, I benefited from some of Brown and Blair’s and not others.

The amount of extra tax our hypothetical footballer would pay is irrelevant to the principle. Even if he was only a fiver a week worse off, he would still have voted against his own economic interests.

You win some, you lose some.

Yes but some people have a lot to lose. Which is not limited to their home, their jobs or even their lives in terms of being cut off from the NHS and medications (the latter is already happening). Some of these people will still vote for the Tories who are actively causing these issues in their lives, just because they believe false information - like everyone will get heavily taxed by JC for example.

well used in schools and hospitals
No it won't it will be wasted like all the BILLIONS pounds thrown at them.

The NHS is not going anywhere. It needs reforming, though.

Oh, hahahaha.

Yes it bloody is. In the past 2 years, my NHS coal face team went from 100% British/EU trained to now 60% non UK trained.

Yep, shout 'racist' but be aware, you don't have the skills to recognise how poor that examination was, that repeating it 3 times wasn't 'thorough', it was negligent.

The near misses and sheer ineptitude I have witnessed would make you shudder, if you knew what you were looking at. Which you don't.

These people are perfectly decent human beings, but they are in no way, shape or form, trained to anything like our standards.

That's where 'our NHS' is 'going'.

Well if you KNOW, then what’s the point of your thread? If you’ve weighed everything up and are satisfied with your choice, you’re not a ‘turkey voting for Christmas’ so stop being so bloody touchy!

There are also things from each of the main parties that wouldn’t benefit me

Ah. This is where we differ. I recognise, for instance, that there are 'things' in, say the Labour manifesto that won't necessarily benefit me, but, guess what? It isn't just about me, it's about my society. How we tax our (overpaid) well off; how we support our less well off. How important we feel equality is.

At best, it's altruistic; at worst, it stops the 'bottom of the ladder' going 'Fuck it' and turning on the better off.

It isn't all about ME, it's about US.

@ginghambox
Wow, are you serious?

@Miljea well said

@Miljea Yes! Absolutely

YANBU "Turkeys voting for Christmas" is the laziest piece of shit cliche in the fucking universe, uttered by people with no brainpower.

Tory Election candidate suggests that families who need to use Food banks need to learn to manage their money better, and should get a Pay Day Loan to tide them over.

This is what the Tories are, remember? Not just “get Brexit done”.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/darren-henry-broxtowe-foodbanks-payday-loans-1-6414132?fbclid=IwAR1W7NsoRFIZfKkz4PmAqQoyhUHt_VspQ2G7Xorqh6RjlqFoQOECsWlCO8A

There are three conversations I hear a lot of at the moment. How much people hate Corbyn, how the Conservative party are the only ones who can see us through Brexit, and how pissed off with the effects of austerity. They want their tax credits back, and don't understand why the library is on limited hours, or whatever, but they will vote for the conservatives anyway. My brain can't help thinking "turkeys voting for Christmas"

It is just a metaphor to highlight the absurdity of people supporting policies to their own detriment. Hackneyed but useful in the way that metaphors often are to illustrate a point.

Q: YANBU "Turkeys voting for Christmas" is the laziest piece of shit cliche in the fucking universe, uttered by people with no brainpower.

You either haven't read the thread or you don't understand.

Which is it?

If your secure in your decision why care what anyone else thinks of it. People can say what they like about my voting choices. I’m happy with my decision and I don’t need their approval.

Vote for who you fuckin like but If you’re poor and crawling up the Tories arse holes Don’t expect me to keep putting my hand in my pocket for food banks etc etc, because Let me make it clear If I wake up on Friday the 13th and that Clown is still in power.
I’ll be donating no more. How many chances do people want to get these out.

Actually, hingeandbracket, what you've brought to this table is a clear example of what this discussion is about.

Q: (you) - YANBU "Turkeys voting for Christmas" is the laziest piece of shit cliche in the fucking universe, uttered by people with no brainpower.

It is so easy to dissect that, um, 'silliness'; but I think many of us have stood with opened mouthed horror, and a mix of fascination- reading this sort of stuff.

We are absolutely post Truth, and post 'intelligence', certainly 'post Analytical Ability' aren't we? That wall went crashing down with Gove's 'We don't need experts' remark.

Here is its end point, writ large.

Political Science students, in the future, will regard archived spaces like MN as a mine of proof as to how such large sectors of the population were so easily separated from their common sense.

So, in the interests that I won't be implicated, hinge, 'Turkeys voting for Christmas' means actively voting for something that will obviously, unequivocally reduce your life circumstances, because you have been cleverly Cummings'ed to do so. Because you apparently do not have the ability to recognise how badly you are being lied to, taken for a fool.

This isn't the footballer being paid £45,000 a week, not £53,000; this is the destruction of your NHS, your child's education, your elderly care, your workplace terms and conditions ('aka 'red tape that's holding us back).

That is what 'turkeys voting for Christmas' looks like.

HTH. From someone who can ride this storm.

Can you?

@missingdale I agree the turkeys phrase is insulting. However YABU for believing the NHS isn't going anyway.

As a frontline NHS clinician with 20 years experience I can tell you it gas been slowly dismantled and underfunded over the past decade and it is not far from breaking point. I hope you do have private healthcare lined up .

I used that expression as to why I won't vote Labour.

I'm 10 - 15 years off retirement and I'm in the private sector so have a defined contribution pension. Like all of these types of pension it is invested in stocks and shares. So when Jeremy and Co decide to give 10% of company shares to 'the workers' that's my pension he's giving away. He's all right Jack with a nice MPs final salary pension so he can afford to play fast and loose with mine.

Pity because I like their environment and Animal Welfare policies but definitely not the economic ones.

whiterose
But when the Tories tank the stock market by doing a hard Brexit your DC pension will be worthless
[turkey]

Ok, a partisan (Labour) website collating info, but worth a look if the economy is the main worry you have about a Labour Govt.
www.labourmemes.uk/post/conservatives-have-no-understanding-of-business

Reading this thread is worrying when you see people spouting off about all the labour policies that dont exist and are just lies being perpetrated as part of the Tory propaganda. People will vote based on their own life experience and circumstances as they should but so many people are worryingly misinformed and don't seem to do any real research. People's lives depend on this election and the pig headed ignorance that seems to be going around is shocking.

#Moustache I've read the manifestos. Even the BNP one which wants to protect red squirrels. Not everyone relies on the press to form an opinion.