AIBU to be shit scared of BJ winning the next election?

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Not sure how everyone else is doing, but I am just increasingly terrified about the idea that BJ and the likes of Jacob Rees-Morgan, Ian Duncan Smith (god they are just so disgusting ) are going to win this election. Got family in Australia and this morning it was raining ash and people literally can't breathe. The Tories are going to do nothing, zero, nada about climate change. And when I look at my kids I just don't know how we are going to survive another five years. and don't get my started about the state of the kid's school - the teachers are doing their best, but the reality is it's a shit show bc of how many cuts they have had. Friends are going canvassing for Labour and me and DH are doing our bit too - but it all just feels surreal - BJ talks shit, tells lies, and has reinvented himself as "new" when the fucker has been IN GOVT for years. Any got any ideas on how we can turn this around?

You’d have to be clinically-insane to trust Labour on the economy. 83 billion in new taxes, hundreds of billions in extra borrowing for the nationalisations, another uncosted 58 billion for the Waspi bribe, plus a return to unfettered union rule, including secondary strike action...

The economy will sink like a stone if Labour gets in.

Enthusiasm then it's not a similar argument then.

Criticising a state for its actions isn't being racist. It's criticising a state for its actions.

Cendrillon clinical insanity is a strong term, although one many psychiatrists have levelled at Trump, Johnson's buddy.

It would be highly irrational to trust the Tories on the economy. Doubling the deficit while 4 million children live in poverty, the NHS, social care and education have been run into the ground, and we can't even measure how many people have died as a direct result of austerity.

How is that good economic management?

"That Corbyn refused to apologize but then backed down and has now apologized - why is that ?"

Corbyn has been publicly apologising from the beginning. The first thing he did after the first antisemitism accusations appeared, was to institute an Inquiry into antisemitism in the Labour party, The Chakrabarti Inquiry, 2016.

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Chakrabarti-Inquiry-Report-30June16.pdf

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And the Labour Party 'Race and Faith Manifesto' was NOT reported on in the national press. I wonder why?

labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Race-and-Faith-Manifesto-2019.pdf

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Chomsky has some interesting thoughts on this, drawn from his experience over the last almost century.

labourbriefing.org/blog/2019/7/30/noam-chomsky-speaks-out-on-antisemism-jeremy-corbyn-and-the-labour-party

I’ve not said the Israeli government is above being criticized or anyone critical it the Israeli government is being anti Semitic

What I am saying is people will hide their prejudice behind claiming they are just critical of the Israeli government but look at some of the language that will be used around this discussion

John McDonnell has also apologized this morning and said Labour should by the party that deals with all issues of prejudice within the party and within society - I absolutely agree with him

"What I am saying is people will hide their prejudice behind claiming they are just critical of the Israeli government but look at some of the language that will be used around this discussion"

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What language? Be specific. Give examples. Provide evidence.

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No Corbyn did not apologize from the beginning and well that report was highly criticized and let’s not forget Corbyn’s response to an MP being aggressively heckled - don’t excuse that it was disgraceful

And he did fuck all about his fellow comrade Ken Livingstone- who led the party of his own accord

Labour would have been far better off admitting there is an issue and taking action straight away this is what I and many Labour supporters expect from the Labour party

“ What I am saying is people will hide their prejudice behind claiming they are just critical of the Israeli government”
Agreed. People will also deflect criticism of the Israeli government by calling it anti senitism. Works both ways.

ColourMagic are you yourself Jewish or a person of colour ?

If you are I am surprised that you have never picked up on non explicit prejudice

"Labour would have been far better off admitting there is an issue and taking action straight away"

Labour did. And instituted an Inquiry.

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"The Chakrabarti (on purported antisemitism in the Labour party)report was "highly criticised" ...
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By Whom?

I have provided (posted) evidence for my claims. You have just made accusations with no backing evidence at all.

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BertrandRussell I agree and the anti Semitism row within the party is also useful for other parties

Jewish Voice for Labour
'Journalists, check your evidence on antisemitism!'

'This extensive review of data about antisemitism in the UK demonstrates that media claims about rampant left-wing antisemitism are based on unproven and unsourced allegations, resulting in the stifling of rational debate about both Israel/Palestine and the dangers of antisemitism and racism.

The largest survey ever undertaken was conducted by the Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR), with data gathering by Ipsos MORI. The authors foundstrong antisemitic attitudes[#] of similarly low prevalence (average 3.6%) from the far left and across the political spectrum. Only on the far right was it significantly higher (13%)

Repeat surveys commissioned by the vigorously pro-Israeli organisation, the Campaign Against Antisemitism, have shown that adoption of negative antisemitic stereotypes was higher among Conservative and UKIP voters than LibDem and Labour voters, and had declined since 2015 when Corbyn became leader...'

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www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/check-evidence/

Mmm and the Jewish Labour Movement support have the same opinion

EnthusiasmisDisturbed wrote ...
"What I am saying is people will hide their prejudice behind claiming they are just critical of the Israeli government but look at some of the language that will be used around this discussion"

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*ColourMagic replied: "What language? Be specific. Give examples."
Provide evidence."

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You have not answered me, Enthusiasm . Instead you have asked me personal questions, deflecting from your failure to provide evidence for your multiple statements.

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you only have to tape into google to find a large number or articles and reports written about this issue, criticism of the report (and the ISIS comment 🙄)

This is the problem that the issues is being dismissed when so many people are saying it is a problem and so many people are saying that this isn’t the party that they have always supported

Keep going you are not convincing anyone that there isn’t an issues with anti semitisim within the Labour Party and that Corbyn and Co have dealt with it sufficiently- if they had John McDonnell would have answered differently on the Andrew Marr show - lessons are to be learnt those were his words

I’m not a JM fan but I have always found him to be more articulate and sharper than Corbyn if Corbyn has replied in the same manner when interviews by Andrew Neil It would have been better for the party it would have shown them to be in a more compassionate light - this is what is expected more of Labour

Told you google it

I think when dismissing prejudice that isn’t explicit it perfectly acceptable to ask have you never experienced it

Even if you haven’t I would expect you to be aware of it

EnthusiasmisDisturbed "Told you google it"

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You want me to do the work to provide the evidence that you have not bothered to provide anywhere to back up your statements here ... ???

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It’s out there you know that

EnthusiasmisDisturbed ... "It’s out there you know that"

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Oh for goodness sake...... YOU try providing the evidence to back up your statements on this Forum.

I have worked to relocate the evidence I have given in my posts ...... whilst you just make wild statements which readers here are just supposed to accept as valid, without evidence.

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I’ve told her it doesn’t work like that before @ColourMagic. It’s water off a duck’s back.

You don’t have to accept anything

You must be aware that Jewish MP’s along with other MP’s have said there is an issue with anti semitism within the party - you might think they are wrong I think they are in a better position to make this call

The arguments against anti Israeli government policy and people being anti Semitic is also an ongoing argument (that’s not just within the party)

That the report was criticized by some Jewish groups (by the Home Affairs Select Committee - of being compromised) isn’t news either

Now I assume that you are a party member so should be aware of all of this but choose to dismiss it because of a few reports that you feel hold more weight. Labour can either learn and deal with it head on as soon as any concerns arise or keep making excuses - that doesn’t do the party any good at all

"You must be aware that Jewish MP’s along with other MP’s have said there is an issue with anti semitism within the party - you might think they are wrong I think they are in a better position to make this call"

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Mmm .... Jewish MPs such as Louise Ellman.

Complaints of Louise Ellman "being bullied" at her Liverpool Labour party meetings, as reported by the Jewish Chronicle, were dismissed by the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) as without evidence .... as shown in one of my previous posts.

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MP Margaret Hodge lodged a huge number of complaints about antisemitism (supposedly in Labour) to the Labour Party.

Approximately half of those complaints were against people who were not even Labour Party members !

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The figures frequently reported on consist of 'complaints lodged', not 'complaints which have been verified as actual antisemitism' ...

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The Conservatives have no compassion for the less fortunate in our society. They don’t deserve to continue in power.

'Election 2019: Labour pledges inquiry into seven years of DWP benefit deaths'
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'A Labour government would set up an independent inquiry into the deaths of disabled benefit claimants linked to the actions of the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) and its private sector contractors, the party has told Disability News Service.

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The party’s pledge meets one of the demands of the Justice for Jodey Whiting parliamentary petition, which secured more than 55,000 signatures and called for an independent inquiry into deaths linked to DWP failings.

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Disabled activists have spent years highlighting the tragic deaths of disabled people that have been closely linked to the actions of DWP senior civil servants and ministers, their outsourced contractors and disability benefit assessment processes...'

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www.disabilitynewsservice.com/election-2019-labour-pledges-inquiry-into-seven-years-of-dwp-benefit-deaths/