AIBU to be shit scared of BJ winning the next election?

[thentherewerefour]

Not sure how everyone else is doing, but I am just increasingly terrified about the idea that BJ and the likes of Jacob Rees-Morgan, Ian Duncan Smith (god they are just so disgusting ) are going to win this election. Got family in Australia and this morning it was raining ash and people literally can't breathe. The Tories are going to do nothing, zero, nada about climate change. And when I look at my kids I just don't know how we are going to survive another five years. and don't get my started about the state of the kid's school - the teachers are doing their best, but the reality is it's a shit show bc of how many cuts they have had. Friends are going canvassing for Labour and me and DH are doing our bit too - but it all just feels surreal - BJ talks shit, tells lies, and has reinvented himself as "new" when the fucker has been IN GOVT for years. Any got any ideas on how we can turn this around?

This is just a tiny section from the huge document submitted by the JLM to the EHRC investigation.

I'm still ploughing through it!

I'm still at a loss in trying to understand why the average Joe on the street seems to think they know more about Brexit and the future of trade, the economy, and the impact on the NHS and education than previous prime ministers and deputy leaders, than business leaders and chief medical officers, than head teachers etc, who have dedicated their lives' work to these things. The vast, vast majority of the above say that Brexit, and another 5 years with BJ at the helm would be disastrous for this country. But no! That's fake news and project fear, obviously. This has become an election based on sound bites and tit-for-tat point scoring.

Who needs advice? Bugger the experts, Bob down the pub knows best. I'm voting X cos he convinced me with his interpretation of what he read in the paper.

Utterly mind boggling.

Rosen says he’s not representative in that long post so fair enough. I get why he says he’s no safer under Cons.

Seems the Tories have their own anti-semetic issues now, it will be interesting to see if Boris sacks the 3 candidates and apologises for the words he used in hi book.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/tories-investigate-three-candidates-over-alleged-antisemitism

"but really he's just one Jewish person. He's not an authority of everything Jewish within the Labour Party"
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Jonathan Cook.. The view from Nazareth ... Reporting:

'Last month the Economist magazine, no friend to Corbyn or the Labour party, published a survey of British attitudes towards Israel and Jews, broken down into ideological factions.

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It found that “very left wing” voters – the people who share Corbyn’s politics – were among the least likely to hold antisemitic views, even though they also had by far the most critical views of Israel. By contrast, supporters of the right were three and a half times more likely to express antisemitic opinions. The centre, representing the Lib Dems and the Blairite wing of Labour, expressed little antisemitism but also rarely criticised Israel....

... The Economist survey offered confirmation of Labour party records showing that instances of antisemitism among its 500,000 members were rare – at just 0.08 per cent of the membership.'

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www.jonathan-cook.net/.../antisemitism-claims.../

Jewish Voice for Labour

'Journalists, check your evidence on antisemitism!'

'This extensive review of data about antisemitism in the UK demonstrates that media claims aboutrampantleft-wing antisemitism are based on unproven and unsourced allegations, resulting in the stifling of rational debate about both Israel/Palestine and the dangers of antisemitism and racism.

The largest survey ever undertaken was conducted by the Institute for Jewish Policy Research (JPR), with data gathering by Ipsos MORI. The authors foundstrong antisemitic attitudes[#]of similarly low prevalence (average 3.6%) from the far left and across the political spectrum. Only on the far right was it significantly higher (13%)

Repeat surveys commissioned by the vigorously pro-Israeli organisation, the Campaign Against Antisemitism, have shown that adoption ofnegative antisemitic stereotypeswas higher among Conservative and UKIP voters than LibDem and Labour voters, and had declined since 2015 when Corbyn became leader ...'

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/check-evidence/

I actually know Micheal Rosen professionally. I respect him in his career, but really he's just one Jewish person. He's not an authority of everything Jewish within the Labour Party. He did point that out.
Thanks for posting that statement from Rosen - it was very interesting.

Add message | Report | Message poster Trewser Sat 07-Dec-19 08:17:50
Michael Rosen is a bore.

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Excellent rebuttal 🙄

bows I'm here all week.

Johnson got a beating last night. However there is still time for a chat with Mr. Neil.

@Logjam Thanks for that link about antisemitism in the Conservative party, it seems to be rife, yet not really publicised. Also, I had no idea that BJ had written an antisemitic novel!

The Jewish Chronicle has been ordered by The Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) to publish an adjudication which says that 4 articles claiming that Louise Ellman was 'bullied' at a Labour party meeting 'in a plot to oust her' were “inaccurate” and “significantly misleading”.

The JC failed to produce evidence to support the assertions about Labour activist Audrey White, and breached accuracy guidelines under the Editors Code of Practice.

The IPSO committee also said that the Jewish Chronicle's conduct during IPSO's investigation was “unacceptable”. The Chronicle had failed on a number of occasions to answer questions put to it by IPSO, and it was “regrettable” that the newspapers responses to IPSO were “delayed”.

Press Gazette:

The Jewish Chronicle

'Jewish Chronicle rapped by IPSO over lack of evidence for claims about Labour activist'

www.pressgazette.co.uk/jewish-chronicle-rapped-ipso-lack-of-evidence-claims-labour-activist/

Of all the possible outcomes of the election - Labour majority, Labour minority with libdem /snp pact, a Tory majority is the worst possible thing that could happen to our country.

I don't think OP is overstating it to be terrified - I have no doubt at all that a Johnson Government would destroy our country as we know it

In desperation I am voting Lib/Dem.they won’t win in our area but will reduce the majority enjoyed by our useless yet supremely comfortable Tory MP. Been voting a very long time (I’m 78 ) and never been offered such a dire, useless, lying, dangerous lot of candidates. I weep for young people.

I don’t think I’m terrified. I’m just incredibly sad.

I'm terrified of a government that doesn't believe in democracy Bertrand, that shuts down Parliament when it can't get it's way. Never thought I would see such a thing in our country

I ageee. But I think I have gone beyond terrified to sad.

ArseDarkly yes, me too. Never thought I'd see a parliamentary coup in the UK.

Even less did I think I'd see the popularity figures for the person to implemented it to increase.

Never thought I'd see two consecutive PMs who refused to participate in the democratic process of public broadcast interviews/debtes for General Elections that they called.

corbyn and abbott are scary, too. they better stay at opposition.

I can't believe people want Brexit so bad they're prepared to throw the country under a bus to get it. What do they really think will improve in their lives?

Somebody said to James O’Brian on LBC (so shoot me!) “The main reason I want Brexit is because it pisses off people like you”
So yes, some people are prepared to throw the country under a bus for very dubious reasons.

“ corbyn and abbott are scary, too. they better stay at opposition.”

What’s Abbot done?

She’s the devil incarnate according to right wing media.

What’s Abbott done?

mobile.twitter.com/TimesCorbyn/status/1200852909270937601

In 2001, Diane Abbott was one of 17 MPs who voted against designating groups like: Al Qa'ida, Hamas, Islamic Jihad & the Tamil Tigers as terrorists.

But who else voted with Diane? Corbyn.

So now you know!

thanks @CendrillonSings.