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AIBU to be shit scared of BJ winning the next election?

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thentherewerefour · 06/12/2019 10:31

Not sure how everyone else is doing, but I am just increasingly terrified about the idea that BJ and the likes of Jacob Rees-Morgan, Ian Duncan Smith (god they are just so disgusting Angry) are going to win this election. Got family in Australia and this morning it was raining ash and people literally can't breathe. The Tories are going to do nothing, zero, nada about climate change. And when I look at my kids I just don't know how we are going to survive another five years. and don't get my started about the state of the kid's school - the teachers are doing their best, but the reality is it's a shit show bc of how many cuts they have had. Friends are going canvassing for Labour and me and DH are doing our bit too - but it all just feels surreal - BJ talks shit, tells lies, and has reinvented himself as "new" when the fucker has been IN GOVT for years. Any got any ideas on how we can turn this around?

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EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 06/12/2019 20:29

“It's odd how every slight leaning towards socialism is portrayed as immediate extreme left wing state control of individuals.”

Gleefully Reading from Mao’s red book in parliament and standing in front of fan boy pics of despotic totalitarian leaders, has that effect on people strangely.

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 06/12/2019 20:31

The ‘red flags’ are there. History is telling us, again and again. We should listen.

GreenishMe · 06/12/2019 20:33

It's odd how every slight leaning towards socialism is portrayed as immediate extreme left wing

Slight leaning? There's never been a more far left Labour party. Why do you think so many life-long Labour voters are no longer willing to vote for them? It's very worrying that people are so oblivious to what's going on.

ImGoingToBangYourHeadsTogether · 06/12/2019 20:33

And to answer the question about who says the web requires government intervention, potentially including state-sponsored infrastructure: I had already answered it. Tim Berners-Lee, among others in the IT community. McDonnell is actually responding to expert advice and opinion on this, as he is also responding to current expert advice and opinion in economics.

www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-11-06/tim-berners-lee-cannot-fix-facebook-google-and-amazon

Solihooley · 06/12/2019 20:33

Oh yea, I forgot Corbyn is ‘controlled by Russia’. I mean, he said we shouldn’t jump to conclusions when some Russians were murdered, totally outrageous comment, and of course we all know he’s a MASSIVE COMMUNIST (I mean his policies are less socialist than most of Europe for Christ sake). And yet I can’t help but feel more suspicious of the guy who suppresses a report into Russian meddling in British politics and seems to take lessons in how to spread propaganda online from Putin himself, funny that.

StoneofDestiny · 06/12/2019 20:34

Johnson won't put himself forward to be scrutinised about his political 'promises', his political record or his ability to be trusted!

Big clue there - he can't be trusted.

No way would I vote for Tories who chose Johnson as 'their best'. If he is their best, an amoral liar, - very scary to think what the rest of the Tor6 Party are capable of.

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 06/12/2019 20:35

“(I mean his policies are less socialist than most of Europe for Christ sake)”

The link I posted upthread, covers this beautifully.

EpicShitDippedBatBiscuit · 06/12/2019 20:36

Anyway, apparently there’s a debate or something? I’m off to watch it. 🤦🏻‍♀️

ImGoingToBangYourHeadsTogether · 06/12/2019 20:36

The ‘red flags’ are there. History is telling us, again and again. We should listen.

Aren't they just? We saw extreme capitalism under the Victorians the Tories are so proud of. Slums, squalor, hardship and death right next to stately homes. Desperately selling women's bodies as access to social connections. As recorded by Dickens and Marx. Compared to the generally more equitable distribution of wealth, and the longest-running episode of economic stability, backed by the NHS and other institutions that are currently being torn apart, in the middle of the last century.

UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 06/12/2019 20:36

EatShit just to confirm then, you think that talking to terrorists is evil, but supplying terrorists is absolutely fine?

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UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 06/12/2019 20:47

Funny how the Tory voting corbyn haters go reeeaaallly quiet every time I mention this.
The hypocrisy is astounding and very very obvious.

Solihooley · 06/12/2019 20:50

Anyway, apparently there’s a debate or something? I’m off to watch it.

Why the fuck does Boris suddenly care so much about the tax on sanitary products? He’s mentioned it twice in 2 different answers. It’s like someone’s told him his ratings with women are down (wonder why that might be?) say something that the wiminz will like bozzer!

Pixxie7 · 06/12/2019 20:54

Totally agree currently watching debate on bbc 1 Boris keeps coming out with the same rhetoric. He never answers a question without saying let’s get Brexit done.

ImGoingToBangYourHeadsTogether · 06/12/2019 20:54

Same reason they suddenly care about Stoke-on-Trent I'd imagine Solihooley.

Torchlightt · 06/12/2019 21:01

Brexit will do far worse and longer term damage than anything Corbyn can do. He won't be around much longer anyway. Under Labour I'd expect to stay in the EU, or close to it. We are fucked under the Tories. Not looking forward to an old age without access to medical treatment.

ForalltheSaints · 06/12/2019 21:16

I'm not terrified but am saddened that such an awful man whose private life is one with little or no morals can be even an MP. It is also sad that the alternative is someone who is no leader as has been demonstrated by inaction over anti-semitism by his party members.

It is a choice technically but what a choice.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 06/12/2019 21:18

YANBU

The definition of madness is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result!

It's like a weird take on Oliver Twist:

"Please, can I have less?'

We're in for some real social unrest over the next 6 years

What is it about Boris & co. that people find believable, trustworthy, honest and decent? What exactly? Is it anything he did as mayor?

The Garden Bridge project where millions were poured into....nothing? With no accountability?

Trimming the Fire Service?

Fluffing up Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's appeal?

Not standing by his principles on Heathrow expansion?

Ensuring business funds are inappropriately given to women he has 'friendships' with?

Accusing President Obama of being anti-british empire by making a big fuss over him moving Churchill's bust to his personal study and alluding repeatedly to his part Kenyan heritage?

Muslim women and letterboxes?

Refusing to turn up for the party leadership debates?

Refusing to have the balls to be reasonably grilled by Andrew Neil?

I could go on...

What? How can you vote for someone like this to be Prime Minister? Even JRM would be better and that's saying something. In fact Sajid Javid I could accept. But Bojo?

It must be the opium of Brexit.

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 06/12/2019 21:20

Not accept - understand

pinkstripeycat · 06/12/2019 21:21

thentherewerefour

Think we need to look to China and USA for more action on climate change. One hotels in Vegas has their one recycling centre pumping out fumes in to the air and that’s one hotel, one town, one state in one massive country

ssd · 06/12/2019 21:24

I can't understand anyone listening to and liking bj and his bluff and lies. Especially anyone who doesn't have money in the bank.

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StoneofDestiny · 06/12/2019 21:46

A UK Ambassador has just resigned her position sayin;

"I have been increasingly dismayed by the way in which our political leaders have tried to deliver Brexit, with reluctance to address honestly, even with our own citizens, the challenges and trade-offs which Brexit involves; the use of misleading or disingenuous arguments about the implications of the various options before us; and some behaviour towards our institutions, which, were it happening in another country, we would almost certainly as diplomats have received instructions to register our concern. It makes our job to promote democracy and the rule of law that much harder, if we are not seen to be upholding these core values at home"

KeithPartridge · 06/12/2019 21:47

Sorry she says she can't vote LABOUR because of terrorist links....wtf do you think the DUP is all about Epic?

StoneofDestiny · 06/12/2019 21:53

Johnson positively encouraged the support for his policies from the DUP (political face of a terrorist group) whose leader, Foster, supports the Orange Order (an extreme sectarian group) even offering to lead its March through a Glasgow! He even adopted their 'no surrender' mantra in relation to Brexit.
Not a sign of shame from Johnson or the Tories about that, not a word about that from religious leaders or politicians who now speak up alleging anti semitism in the Labour Party.

I wonder why.

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