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AIBU to be shit scared of BJ winning the next election?

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thentherewerefour · 06/12/2019 10:31

Not sure how everyone else is doing, but I am just increasingly terrified about the idea that BJ and the likes of Jacob Rees-Morgan, Ian Duncan Smith (god they are just so disgusting Angry) are going to win this election. Got family in Australia and this morning it was raining ash and people literally can't breathe. The Tories are going to do nothing, zero, nada about climate change. And when I look at my kids I just don't know how we are going to survive another five years. and don't get my started about the state of the kid's school - the teachers are doing their best, but the reality is it's a shit show bc of how many cuts they have had. Friends are going canvassing for Labour and me and DH are doing our bit too - but it all just feels surreal - BJ talks shit, tells lies, and has reinvented himself as "new" when the fucker has been IN GOVT for years. Any got any ideas on how we can turn this around?

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Alsohuman · 06/12/2019 18:24

It’s all they’ve got @LeaderoftheAteam.

LeaderoftheAteam · 06/12/2019 18:27

@Alsohuman, yes it kind of seems like it. That's why I asked if someone could explain. It seems like everyone has latched onto "antisemite" and can spout the examples daily fail have written but really we need to dig a bit deeper and understand why.

PettyContractor · 06/12/2019 18:39

it is terrifying that the UK might be about to hand a majority to a government that does not give a shit about the climate crisis

And yet another poster said the UK has done more than any other European country, in the last ten years. Which backs up what I found when I googled a few weeks ago. The UK is doing relatively well at using renewable energy. The problem countries are the USA and Japan. (China is actually also doing relatively well, a lot better than USA and Japan. Just mentioning it because people like to complain about China.)

pugparty · 06/12/2019 18:42

YANBU.

I find it fascinating how many people decry antisemitism but are a-ok with islamaphobia. Almost like it's total bullshit.

PettyContractor · 06/12/2019 18:43

Yeah, austerity really helped with reducing the debt.

I'm always mystified when people make this argument on a thread. The logical conclusion (if the debt has gone up despite austerity) is that they think there should have been a lot more austerity, but I'm guessing that's not what they're saying.

CendrillonSings · 06/12/2019 18:44

Can someone please explain why there seems to be more uproar at antisemitism than anything else?

Perhaps because antisemitism led to the industrial murder of more than half the Jews in Europe and yet Labour, the main supposed “antiracist” party in the UK, is now chock-full of antisemites?

You may have read about yesterday’s publication of the Jewish Labour Movement’s submission to the EHRC that substantiates these accusations in detail? Or did that pass you by somehow?

Gobelinoisawitchescat · 06/12/2019 18:46

I’m a real swing voter and have gone several
ways over the years (though was a staunch remainder). JC scares me far far much more than BJ.

KeithPartridge · 06/12/2019 18:54

Why does JC scare you more than Johnson? Can you explain your stance with some facts to back up what you say?

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KeithPartridge · 06/12/2019 18:56

Yes AlsoHuman...they have a massive problem with anti semitism but no problem at all with their precious Tories getting into bed with the political wing of the UVF. Irish lives don't matter one bit to Tory voters.

CendrillonSings · 06/12/2019 19:05

I saw the claims of a dossier, I haven't been able to find any of the information or evidence it reportedly contains. Do you have a link? I would be interested to read it.

Ask and you shall receive. This was all over the news yesterday:

www.scribd.com/document/438367082/Redacted-JLM-Closing-Submission-to-the-EHRC

With a detailed breakdown by human rights barrister Adam Wagner:

twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1202521499581575172

flashbac · 06/12/2019 19:09

This thread is fucking depressing. FFS what the fuck is wrong with people that they prefer a lying, sexist, racist chancer over JC who - I agree - is incompetent but a lot less worse than that psychopath Boris and his sadistic cronies.

Paintedmaypole · 06/12/2019 19:10

I have seen many conservative governments in the past and I am patricularly worried about the pssibility of Johnson, Rees Mogg, IDS, Michael Gove etc being returned to power.

YouJustDoYou · 06/12/2019 19:13

This thread is fucking depressing. FFS what the fuck is wrong with people that they prefer a lying, sexist, racist chancer over JC who - I agree - is incompetent but a lot less worse than that psychopath Boris and his sadistic cronies

Well, Corby is a lying racist changed too, so..

KeithPartridge · 06/12/2019 19:13

Cendrillon, seeing as you're here, you've been shrieking like a banshee about the anti semitism of Labour. Yet you are going to vote for a party that got into bed with the political wing of the UVF. These are actual KILLERS. I know, because they killed my friend. How can you justify on one hand condemning Labour for anti semitism yet gleefully support those who align themselves with terrorists who torture and murder Irish people?

YouJustDoYou · 06/12/2019 19:14

*chancer. Sigh.

Milicentbystander72 · 06/12/2019 19:15

The is fir that link Centrillion. I saw this all over Twitter yesterday but didn't find the document to read.

I've just read the first few images and it's shocking.

Milicentbystander72 · 06/12/2019 19:16

Pages, not images.

UtterlyPerfectCartoonGiraffe · 06/12/2019 19:16

LeaderoftheATeam Absolutely agree with your post. Not to mention Boris Johnson approving the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia knowing they would be used to attack Yemeni civilians. Including children. And still he carried on selling those weapons.
But, brown lives, hey..
Angry

KeithPartridge · 06/12/2019 19:22

Fucking hell, Utterly. So Boris Johnson KNOWINGLY sold arms that would KILL children...and did it anyway.

Tell me again Tory voters how he is better than Corbyn?

flashbac · 06/12/2019 19:24

Show me where Corbyn has actually said something racist comparable to what Boris has said. I'll wait...

Alsohuman · 06/12/2019 19:24

I see Chris Patten has now said Johnson’s not fit for office. Makes you wonder what Thatcher would have made of him.

OctopusNow · 06/12/2019 19:25

He's a much less terrifying prospect than Corbyn!
Labour will destroy our country very quickly. JC is a complete hypocrite and very dangerous.

CendrillonSings · 06/12/2019 19:29

seeing as you're here, you've been shrieking like a banshee about the anti semitism of Labour.

Hey, if you want to vote for a bunch of antisemites, then that’s your right. Just don’t expect the rest of us to buy any pious claims about how much you care about racism.

Alsohuman · 06/12/2019 19:31

Just don’t expect the rest of us to buy any pious claims about how much you care about racism

Works both ways.