Are the conservatives really this popular?

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Listening to statistician on BBC who reckons the conservatives are head in all polls and will win a majority on election day.

I know only two people voting conservative (mil and dm). Who are all the other conservative voters??

Are the conservatives really going to win the election so easily?

If so...I'm very very sad

@ArseDarkly Yes, given your username, eradication of IBS would be great haha
But yeah, I've had correspondence with IDS where though he has corresponded he has done nothing.
So I like the energy of the Labour candidate. I've watched her behaviour on Facebook over the past few months where she has been goaded etc. and she comports herself impeccably.
It's going to be a hard constituency won from IDS. Fought bravely and with dignity though I must admit (though she did bring Hugh Grant lol).

The collective wisdom
You've worked in seriously corrupt countries though as have your siblings..... I genuinely think my candidate I voted for gives a fuck. Maybe too many fucks given if you're brown/black, but fucks given nonetheless.

All that said, though I'm white, I'm an immigrant. We'll see. I'll be disappointed if she doesn't beat him but not surprised.

I like to think I understand the nuances of the global economy, having lived and worked across South America, Singapore to name but two.

Having said that, I want a better future for the UK, which is not deliverable by the Tories. Therefore I'm voting tactically to get my arsewipe of a Tory MP out - that's all I can do, and all I can hope is that others do the same.

Her two canvassers were white though interestingly.

With the abuse that is so often levelled at conservative supporters is it any wonder many are reluctant stand up and be counted?

One thing which 'swung' my vote was a very brave post by my candidate (Faiza Shaheen) where she spoke about domestic violence in the home from her father. That swung it for me basically. Her little video clip on facebook now honours her father too, but has clips of neighbours saying 'you didn't have the best start' and her saying the village reared her. She got to go to Oxford - Pakistani child of immigrant parents - mother Pakistani, father from Fiji. Her childhood friends described her as a 'cool nerd'.
I just think she has probably lived a thousand versions of our lives, so it was a no-brainer for me. IDS ................................?

I have just posted this on another thread. But I am seriously asking those of you considering voting conservative to please think about these facts.
Ignore the spin, ignore the lies. Stick to the facts.
2010-2019 this is where we are:
1000 sure start centres closed
780 libraries closed
700 football pitches closed
Food bank use up 2400%
Homelessness up 1000%
Rough sleeping up 1200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions
Evictions running at record highs
35% of kids in UK live in poverty
Student fees up 300%
Student debt has risen 150%
Eradication of education maintenance allowance
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion
GDP fallen to 0.1%
Manufacturing in recession
Construction in recession
25-30% cuts to all government departments
Half if councils facing effective bankruptcy
25,000 less police
20,000 less prison officers
10,000 less border police
10,000 less medical professionals
10,000 less firefighters
25,000 less beds for mental illness
25% cuts for our disabled community
80% cuts to mobility allowance
40% of working households have no savings
60% of working households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes
Increase of knife crime by 150%
Council home building down 90%
200k social homes lost since 2010
Zero starter homes built despite tory flagship project
1 million families on council home waiting list
36,000 teachers have left reaching
And we now have more billionaires in the UK than ever before.

Do we really want more of this?
Please don't vote conservative.

Just checking in. Thank you @xingming for responding. I had to say, I read your list of "wants" with a stunned smile: if Corbyn had published half of that in a manifesto, the Daily Mail would be screaming blue murder!
You speak a lot of sense. However, it will never be implemented under the Tories.

We all badly deserve better.

Are the Conservatives really this popular?

Rather looks like it, doesn’t it?

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Westminster voting intention:

CON: 45% (+3)
LAB: 31% (-2)
LDEM: 11 (-)
BREX: 4% (+1)
GRN: 2% (-1)

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Things seemed to go downhill for Labour when they elected the wrong Miliband brother as leader. David Miliband would have been so much better and was electable. I think he would have attracted more people to switch from Conservative. Ed was just not likeable as a leader, same as Corbyn. I actually wonder if Corbyn prefers to be leader of the opposition and so is actively self-sabotaging. It's a much easier role as he gets to spout his politics but has pretty much no responsibility.

A labour government under Corbyn would not benefit the average working person - someone who is making ends meet but doesn't have much to spare.

Also the only people I know who are vocal about their politics are labour voters or SNP voters. The vast majority on my social media do not make political posts- the only ones that do are labour supporters. Same with Brexit - the only people that posted were strong remainers. People mistake silence for apathy. I think this is why there is so much shock when elections don't go the way expected - the silent majority are not voting the way you may expect them to.

Just one editorial remark on my last post... I'd prefer to say that most politicians worldwide are idealistic, but fairly incompetent, or venal (not corrupt, though many are) and fairly incompetent. I said "stupid" not incompetent before. It's been worrying me all night!

I actually wonder if Corbyn prefers to be leader of the opposition and so is actively self-sabotaging. It's a much easier role as he gets to spout his politics but has pretty much no responsibility.

^^ this. I have often wondered this.

Totally agree with dark ocean.

Only labour posts are on my Facebook. All of them very scathing if your not a supporter.

Those were the ten years following a global financial crisis involving a huge and expensive bank bailout, @ilovetinsel. Do you think a Labour government would have been able to continue spending at pre-2008 levels? Not a goady question, just wondering if that's what you think.

A labour government under Corbyn would not benefit the average working person - someone who is making ends meet but doesn't have much to spare

But it would. If you look at all the things the increased tax would pay for, the ordinary working person would be far better off. So would the country - more money for education, the NHS, investment in transport, childcare - if you’ve got kids or ever get sick, then you’ll be better off.

Someone who makes ends meet but doesn't have much to spare

That's ok because under JC benefits will rise so they can give up work and be better off. Don't worry, our family's tax increases will pay for it.

So you don’t want better schools or hospitals or green transport @ChristmasAngst? You’re happy to wait three weeks for a GP appointment? Unless your family has one or more £80k+ incomes, there won’t be any difference. If it has, you can afford a bit more for better services.

ChristmasAngst don't be silly, that isn't in the Labour manifesto and none of the pledges in it would lead to that situation.

ChristmasAngst don't be silly, that isn't in the Labour manifesto and none of the pledges in it would lead to that situation.

Hang on. So you believe that after all the to-do that Labour and the Guardian and the left in general has made about the cuts to benefits, they're not going to restore them?

Why on earth would Corbyn not? Doesn't he believe that the 6th richest nation on earth can afford to support those who are out of work in dignity, or something like this?

the ordinary working person would be far better off.

That's what Labour said last time...

IFS 2010:
"Labour's tax and benefits system has discouraged people from going out to work, according to an in-depth report from the Institute for Fiscal Studies."

"The IFS analysed how different groups have won or lost under complex changes to the tax and benefits system since 1997."

"The average couple with children who stay at home and do not work is £3,258 a year richer on average than back in 1997, because of changes to the benefits system."

"A couple where both work, without children, is now £2,057 a year worse off than back in 1997. A couple where both work and they have children, is now £1,585 a year worse off."

"Those left with an income of £29,791 a year after tax—10 million households out of a total of 25 million—are all worse off than they would have been if the tax system had been left unchanged."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7564004/Labour-benefits-system-discouraged-work-IFS-says.html

Here we go again -
IFS 2019:

“The Labour manifesto promises a number of benefits giveaways, most of which are small individually but which add up to a substantial amount."^ "While quite a few of these pledges would benefit those out-of-work there are no giveaways targeted specifically at low income working households; perhaps surprising given Labour’s target to abolish in-work poverty within 5 years."

www.ifs.org.uk/election/2019/article/labour-manifesto-an-initial-reaction-from-ifs-researchers

Unless your family has one or more £80k+ incomes, there won’t be any difference.

Oh my God! Someone actually believes that crap. There aren't enough people earning more than £80k to pay the billions Corbyn has pledged. The sums DON'T add up.

Anyone who thinks there won't be tax rises across the board to pay for it, or inflation which hits everyone, or higher interest rates hitting people with debt or other mortgages, or worsening exchange rates hitting holiday makers, is completely deluded.

If it was so simple, why didn't Blair/Brown do the same during their 13 years? Brown had to lumber our next generations with PFI debt so he could splash the cash (someone else's of course) on shiny new hospitals and schools with atriums etc!

I am Conservative.

It took working in a children's support centre to turn me from vaguely left to a complete Thatcherite.

Why? Because the children were mostly illiterate, yet knew benefits law backwards. These were bright kids. I learned a lot about human agency.
They loathed their social workers with a complete passion
The whole thing was a funding scam, with no real intervention or therapy to help them with their lives and they knew it

I just saw the whole patronising self indulgent lefty BS instead of engaging people's agency, and suddenly Mrs Thatcher made sense. She was popular because she actually really did understand working class people. That they didn't want to be patronised, they wanted to get ahead, own their own houses and be proud of being British.

And whether people like it or not, Old Etonian Boris is giving the same message where Labour is a patronising Islington bubble.

It also astonishes me that people STILL DO NOT KNOW that the people who actually pay for welfare, are the low paid. Low income workers are disproportionally taxed.

The Conservative message of 'be your own man, live your own life, be responsible for your own journey', we will do this by lowering taxes, encouraging the economy and pushing capitalism ie, getting people OUT of welfare and into jobs, is the one that allies with the innate human drive.

Its why I can't be furious with people who fiddle benefits whilst working up to 3 jobs. Of course they do what is best for them. They are showing effort and intelligence, and it is the stupid system that is wrong, not them!

It is the Conservatives who understand this human agency, rather than 'we will tell you what's best for you/the State is the Solution' leftist ideology.

Sorry, 'she was popular' should have read 'she kept winning elections because' ...