Are the conservatives really this popular?

[LabourHere]

Listening to statistician on BBC who reckons the conservatives are head in all polls and will win a majority on election day.

I know only two people voting conservative (mil and dm). Who are all the other conservative voters??

Are the conservatives really going to win the election so easily?

If so...I'm very very sad

And I suppose Brexit will get done when Corbyn negotiates his own deal, then campaigns against it in a second divisive referendum

Yes, there will be a second referendum which remain will win by default. The staunch Leavers will spoil their paper by writing NO DEAL or BORIS’ DEAL and very few will vote for Corbyn’s Brino. Remain will call it a ‘triumph of democracy’ and will celebrate in the streets that the Brexit nightmare is now over....... just like the ‘No’ voters did in 2014. That worked out well, didn’t it?

God save us from the left wing Nazis!

You're disgusting

Well in the unlikely event that Corbyn becomes PM, no I don't think Brexit will get 'done' then either cendrillion. Because we simply aren't in a position where that could happen.

But did you perhaps think this was some kind of counter to the post you were replying to? That if Corbyn is useless that makes Johnson less so?

Drabarni

It's a sad world when you read comments like this. god bless us all.
We're fucked to trump and Boris the racist misogynist.
I do hope there's no working women voting for him, but if they're that dumb I suppose they deserve to lose their jobs.

Cheers for that. I own and run a small business, I'm a working woman. I'm not dumb, and thanks for hoping I'll lose my job. I could say that I hope you lose YOUR job, but I'm not that nasty.

There are so many voters like me who are stuck with no one credible to vote for. Hate BK and the ERG Tories but also am terrified of JC and his student agitator politics.

I hate that neither main party represents my strong remainer vote and I loathe the SNP as Scottish independence would make Brexit look like an economic master plan. Looks like Lib Dems are my only option....

But I hate their self identification for transsexuals policy.

So what do I do?

Bartlet there are many voters like me who agree with and disagree with policies and leaders on all sides. Sometimes you just have to go with your own personal ‘least worst’ option.

So what do I do?

Pick the least bad option. It’ll only be for a couple of years and then we’ll have to endure all this again.

Hopefully both BJ and JC will have been booted out of leadership by then and people with a more consensus less polarised views have taken over.

Paying the equivalent of a Netflix subscription each month

HAHAHHAHA! We would have to pay 800£ more a fucking month. Fuck OFF labour; bye bye!

I'm no longer entitled to vote in the UK because I left years ago. Frankly, I look at the choices on offer and feel really sorry for you.

Whoever I'd vote for

PhilSwagielka

Yes. Britain is a fundamentally right-wing country.

Sorry, ENGLAND. No offence to Scotland or Wales.

You were right first time.

The SNP, who are really just nationalist Blairites are in power in Scotland. Labour under Corbyn are considerably to the left of them, yet there is no indication that Labour will regain any of the large number of seats they used to have in Scotland. In fact, they may be wiped out. like the Tories were in 1997. By the way, the polls suggest that the Tories will hold all their (considerable) 2017 gains in Scotland.

Outside Glamorgan, Wales mostly voted Tory in the last election, and the recent polls suggest they now lead Labour across the whole country.

Most English-speaking countries are economically right-wing compared with developed countries generally, and have been for, oh.. about 250 years.

So people don't want to vote for Labour/Corbyn, Ok.

What I don't understand is why those people ranting about Labour taxes - why on earth would you trust Johnson on taxes?? The man cannot stop lying so why would you believe that he won't raise taxes?

The IFS have stated that Labour's manifesto promises are 'not credible' but they have also said the same about the Tory manifesto! Johnson will screw Tory voters the same way he screwed everyone else who has ever trusted him

Sorry - I missed out a paragraph. I'll start again.

I'm no longer entitled to vote in the UK because I left years ago. Frankly, I look at the choices on offer and feel really sorry for you.

Neither Johnson or Corbyn inspire me with any confidence. I can't see either of them being a big hitter on the world stage. The last of those that the UK produced was Blair or perhaps William Hague when he was foreign secretary. Cameron was a nonentity, May was preoccupied with Brexit and Johnson is considered personable, but not a serious politician.

All the talk I hear from the UK about Brexit concerns economic damage, however, no one talks about loss of diplomatic influence. I don't think people in the UK take any account of just how influential Britain is, worldwide. It's been reducing since 2010 and unless the UK forges some new ties very quickly it will reduce still further because the remaining EU will no longer ally themselves with the UK automatically.

I wouldn't know who to vote for, to be honest. I think having to rely on foodbanks is awful. It absolutely doesn't follow that socialism would cure this. There's nothing heartless about believing that a well-managed economy alleviates poverty better than highly-centralised government intervention. However, I do really, really question whether either party are competent to achieve this.

What I don't understand is why those people ranting about Labour taxes - why on earth would you trust Johnson on taxes?? The man cannot stop lying so why would you believe that he won't raise taxes?

Labour has told us themselves that they want to raise direct taxes by 83 billion a year. Boris would never raise taxes on that scale in a million years.

However, I do really, really question whether either party are competent to achieve this

Well since the Tory party has been in since 2015 and foodbank use has gone through the roof (as well as crisis in so many areas - NHS, education, prisons, social care etc etc) there's clearly NO question on that score.

Boris would never raise taxes on that scale in a million years.

How do you know? How can you believe anything about what he would do when he never stops lying? And doesn't give a shit about our country?

The thread has moved on since I posted. But the privatisations of the utilities etc were done over a 15-20 year period. Longer if you include Royal Mail. So reversing that en masse in under 5 years would clearly be very disruptive. I think also that talk of armies of people in charge of compensation for delays etc is irrelevant. Isn't one of the few good points of running a govt funded service that you don't have to compensate people? Unless they set lawyers on you, I suppose. The GP doesn't compensate you when they keep you waiting an hour, do they? Why would a nationalised train company?

Well since the Tory party has been in since 2015

2010 actually.

Im a 31 year old young professional. Every single person I know (family, partner, friends, friends' partners, the colleagues who have disclosed) bar one are voting Conservative.

Why are you surprised? People don't want an anti Semitic Marxist who would destroy the economy.

How do you know? How can you believe anything about what he would do when he never stops lying? And doesn't give a shit about our country?

I know because I’m not stupid - no Conservative Government has ever raised taxes on that scale, and Boris’ entire political career has not been one of high-tax socialism. Duh.

Labour's plans are economically illiterate.

1. They will not raise the tax they claim from the rich and corporates: both are vastly more mobile than at any time in history. Even when corporate tax rates were at 26% corporates were migrating overseas (WPP, Informa, UBM - to pick 3 from one sector)
2. No other economy with the state sector the similar size to where Corbyn wants us to end up has such a narrow tax base. Labour must know this - they are either being dishonest with us or wilfully ignorant.
3. Therefore Labour will overspend and undertax - more borrowing, huge deficit, increased borrowing costs => austerity.
4. We've just had 10 years of austerity undoing the deficit left by the last Labour govt. It's been shit, it could have been handled better in many ways but the 2010 govt had relatively few good choices.
5. Governments are generally inefficient at spending /contracting. This one will be too. It would waste a ton of money
6. Nationalisation will be incredibly damaging. Their numbers are way off, it will deter the inward investment the economy needs and there was a reason these services were privatised - because they were appallingly run.

I can't stand Boris for many reasons, but given a choice between lying buffoons, I pick him because he doesn't try to cloak himself in honesty and he will do less damage. I'd vote Libdem if I thought they could win but they will have to deal a deal with Corbyn and that is out for me.

Boris’ entire political career has not been one of high-tax socialism

He’s never been in a position to raise taxes before. The IFS says he can’t keep his manifesto promises without raising them. It also says the cost of a no deal Brexit would dwarf Labour’s spending projections.

In my experience Conservative people tend to be conservative in nature and therefore tend not to talk politics very openly.
Also I vote conservative and get accused of being racist, not caring about the NHS and hating poor people.
None of that is true and it's very tedious so I keep quiet about it.

Unfortunately they are, yes. I teach and don’t know a single fellow teacher who is voting Tory. Some are Lib Dem’s or Green, the majority are Labour voters.

My DH works in the private sector and the majority of his colleagues are voting Tory. They hate Corbyn, think he’s a ‘dangerous communist’ and a ‘terrorist sympathiser’. One of his colleagues comes from a mining family, I can’t believe she would ever vote for them personally but there you go...

I think people are making a mistake in assuming Boris' homophobia and racism isn't part of his appeal to many.

This is sadly true too.

It also says the cost of a no deal Brexit would dwarf Labour’s spending projections.

Which would be relevant if we were going to No Deal. We’re not.