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Being made to feel guilty by friends. Should I contribute?

825 replies

Jpw74 · 01/12/2019 19:14

Nc as other threads may be outing. Sorry if this is long!

Been with partner for several years. Both in mid-early 40s. We are getting married later next year, second marriages for both.

When I first got married, neither me nor my parents had any real money to speak of. Ex-dh and I did a low key registry wedding.

Since then, my career has taken off, I feel incredibly lucky and I am planning on paying for the kind of wedding I’ve always dreamed of.

Now the point of my post: we were having drinks with partner’s best friend and his wife this weekend and the wife made some sort of comment like “I can’t believe you (me) are willing to throw Xxx at a wedding but are ok letting (my partner’s) other child receive less money via CMS”

Partner used to work a very stressful but lucrative job. When we got together I saw the effect the job had on his MH and how truly unwell he was because of it. After looking at my salary, we decided that it would be better for him long term to retrain and become a teacher, something he has always wanted to do!

His ex is unhappy because the drop in maintenance was significant and must be sharing this with friends. In all other respects partner has maintained the same relationship with his dd as before and we intend to do so going forward.

To my point: Am I being the unreasonable one in thinking I’ve worked hard for my money and if I want to throw myself a big wedding I should be allowed to do so. I am a hurt that the wife thinks I should be contributing to partner’s dd’s maintenance to keep it at previous levels.

Partner’s thoughts on this are that he is not dodging his responsibilities, parents lose jobs, switch jobs, etc As long as he parents to the best that he can both in the financial sense from his current salary and is physically present for his dd, Ex should have no right to look at me and my salary + the lifestyle it provides us as dd is not my responsibility.

To give you a sense of figures, I make high six figures/year as did partner before switching to being a teacher.

OP posts:
titchy · 01/12/2019 22:30

why wouldnt he pay much in tax?

Because most salary at these sorts of level is in the form of shares or offshore vehicles which effectively hide a large amount of the taxable income. Im not suggesting anything dodgy btw - tax avoidance is perfectly legal. I'll bet he has tens of millions in his pension too.

Talkingmouse · 01/12/2019 22:31

Would the ‘right’/moral course of action be a mid point in £ support?

He could only retrain due to your level of earnings. You and dh are now a partnership, and consider what is yours, is mine, blah blah blah.

So the maintenance levels should be based on the mid-point of your 2 salary’s: it was £8k/month; it is now £1.3k based on his new salary; but should it be £4kish, morally? You could put that extra £2.7k/month into a trust fund for the daughter?

doritosdip · 01/12/2019 22:32

I'm laughing aAn NQT is on £25k

Non-resident parents paying £1.3k in maintenance earn about £100k

doritosdip · 01/12/2019 22:32

Sorry about the weird italics

Loveislandaddict · 01/12/2019 22:33

A wedding is a one-off expense, of course it costs money.

The bf’s wife was rude to say what she did.

Your dp could have been made redundant, or fallen ill, etc, and then have no money.

As long as he continues his relationship with dd, then that’s fine. Maybe her life of luxury has gone, but life does change.

Enjoupy your wedding, and don’t feel guilty

doritosdip · 01/12/2019 22:33

How long until dsd is in uni and becomes fully funded by Dad?

Loveislandaddict · 01/12/2019 22:33

Enjoy...

EducatingArti · 01/12/2019 22:33

If he has had one stress induced heart attack, how on earth will he pass a medical to get a teaching job?

Onesnowballshort · 01/12/2019 22:34

My issue would be regardless of who earns the money in your household, are you and the childs father going to have a significantly better lifestyle than the child?
I think this is an important point.

AnneLovesGilbert · 01/12/2019 22:34

Are you still inviting the accusers OP? I can’t imagine she’ll want to eat anything you’ve spent money on that could be funding a ski trip Grin

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 01/12/2019 22:35

Morally I would say well dodgy
And also you have what I understand is usually called a cock lodger...

fedup21 · 01/12/2019 22:39

If he has had one stress induced heart attack, how on earth will he pass a medical to get a teaching job

You’re presuming there are medicals before people are accepted into teaching!?

scubadive · 01/12/2019 22:39

The key point here op is that in your own words after looking at your 6 figure salary you then took the decision he could go for a lower wage lower stress job.

Would he have done this if he was still in his marriage? This decision based on your salary has directly impacted on the maintenance and presumable lifestyle of his kids.

This wasn’t a selfless decision he made as you say it was something he had always wanted to do but didn’t, why? Because he made the decision previously to maintain his income/lifestyle. Many people do this when they might rather have a vocational job but can’t afford that option.

Now that you can maintain HIS/Your lifestyle, he has taken this decision.

I’m nit surprised his wife would be upset to see their children’s lives materially affected while you spend £££ on a second wedding.

I appreciate you have always wanted a big wedding but it is rubbing salt in the wound

Delatron · 01/12/2019 22:39

They have the child 50:50 for holidays so I don’t think the child is missing out on nice holidays. Hell they can take her skiing.

Can we even call her an ex? They didn’t even have a relationship. They weren’t married. He’s been more than generous and now the child’s mother has become accustomed to certain things. Well he’s given her a year to save the £10k a month he’s been giving her and he’ll continue to provide. Just not at the huge levels as before.

OP I don’t think you’ve done anything wrong. Have the wedding you want it. I agree don’t mention the costs. We spent quite a bit on our wedding. Not to show off and be lavish but because we wanted our guests to have a great time, to have good food and not pay for drinks etc. Maybe OPs wedding is about being generous to guests rather than over the top. Just don’t tell people the cost!!

Sashkin · 01/12/2019 22:40

I know others have said teaching is stressful, but he had this moment where he realised he was not contributing anything to the world and had always wanted to teach maths, promote STEM in underprivileged schools and I am really proud of him that he took this leap of faith

Oh bless, this level of naivety isn't going to survive the NQT year! Grin

AbsentmindedWoman · 01/12/2019 22:41

The figures don't make a lot of sense without school fees or housing costs, I am struggling to see where £100k per year was going. I don't know anywhere you'd pay more than £200 per week for livery for a pony, for example. How many riding, music and ballet lessons can a kid can squeeze into one week?

How has this money been burned through? If there are no significant savings I'd wonder if there is something like a gambling addiction at play.

Sunflower20 · 01/12/2019 22:41

Nobody's business what you do. Why's the ex so greedy? She's still getting child maintenance, just not as much as before. If she wants to maintain that 6 figure lifestyle she should consider making that money herself.

TiceCream · 01/12/2019 22:45

Your income has nothing to do with either the ex or your partner’s child. However your partner is extremely irresponsible to give up his good job when he has a child to pay for. When you’re a parent you can’t follow your dreams and do what you want. You have to do what’s best for your child, and clearly he hasn’t.

TooSweetToBeSour · 01/12/2019 22:46

Spend what you like on your wedding
Your ‘friends’ are incredibly rude and I’d probably distance myself from them
As long as your DP continues to do the most he can for his DD himself then the ex has no room to complain. Life changes. Maybe she should go and get a better job herself.

Pumpkintopf · 01/12/2019 22:46

presumably his DD was used to having a very comfortable life style and now just because her dad has shacked up with you her lifestyle has changed considerably whilst his hasn't because you are subsidising his ....

I think this is the nub of the issue.

Commenty · 01/12/2019 22:47

Teaching is a good job!

littleduckeggblue · 01/12/2019 22:48

Your money, do with it as you wish

JoanieCash · 01/12/2019 22:49

Seriously what you must take home from this thread is that teaching is a stressful job. Am not a teacher but I think lots of people think “I went to school, so I know about being a teacher” or that basically teachers moan and that your dp knows what a really stressful job is in the city. He’s wrong- his city job is just very well paid, it’s probably not more stressful and ultimately it’s just about money. Jobs which are about people and their welfare Are the most stressful careers. The subject matter is the easy bit of teaching. It’s the rest of it, for which he will have fewer skills and so the idea of purposefully setting him up to work in disadvantaged schools is foolish. If you want him to be alive at 50, just retire and do some volunteering. Good luck as weirdly, with all your money, his health and his relationship track record i think you’ll really need it.

EducatingArti · 01/12/2019 22:50

There are ( or at least were when I went into it ) medicals both to get accepted onto a PGCE course and to get a ( state school) job in teaching after training.

Havaina · 01/12/2019 22:51

Jobs which are about people and their welfare Are the most stressful careers

Not necessarily.