To be glad the latest polls are saying the tories will get a good majority

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Such a relief for all of us especially for our children who would have been saddled with our debt under Corbyn’s plan

Austerity did not happen because of the previous Labour Gov spending plans.

Nobody has said it did, but after the 2 years of following the previous Conservative spending plans the previous Labour government who had publicly went on record as saying there was no more boom and bust does have some part to play, especially since we all have 2020 vision and say we should have followed Keynesian economic theory so should have saved during the boom.

We could also highlight that in 2010 it was a poisoned chalice and all political parties was saying austerity was needed.

The UK govt had to bail out financial banks and that is what caused the massive increase in debt.

Was the right decision by Brown, was copied across Europe, both understood that it was can kicking exercise so it's difficult to call it idiological or blame the tories for it as well.

Before the financial crisis and recession , Conservative party’s spending plans were pretty close to Labour’s and they were def not asking for tighter financial regulation of banks which would have stopped the financial crisis.

Trying to pass the book onto the opposition when it was those in power who was implementing in control of the sitution is text book 'no u' tier argument.

I kind of expect a 'not true labour' argument or some hark back to thatcher to really show your critical thinking.

The IFS criticism of Labour's costings was flawed.
Eg it said, well high earners would avoid tax- but it doesn't factor in the plans to stop that happening. And will rich people really leave?
Eg it said increasing corporation tax in 26% will cause prices to be passed onto consumers, but this isn't always the case, especially if that is guarded against. Anyway corporation tax was 28% in 2010.

Such a relief for all of us especially for our children who would have been saddled with our debt under Corbyn’s plan

1. Government debt has increased by £800bn under the Conservatives - an increase of 80% - and yet the NHS is underfunded, schools are underfunded, infrastructure is crumbling and there are 14 million people living in poverty. What exactly has the £800bn been spent on other than the billions spaffed on Brexit?

2. Every Conservative supporter appears to have read and been taken in by Johnson and Javid's costings of the Labour manifesto, and yet the PM and Chancellor cannot or will not tell the country a) the details of the Conservative plans and b) what these will cost. All we are offered are 'aspirations' about 40 new hospitals that turn out to be just a handful, 50,000 more nurses that turn out to include 18,000 that already exist, and thousands of new police officers to replace the 20,000 that they got rid of (so no net gain) and so on. Waffle, piffle-paffle, bluster and bullshit that evaporates as soon as it comes into contact with reality.

Remember, even his supposed friends have Johnson's measure. Johnson is “a compulsive liar who has betrayed every single person he has ever had any dealings with” (according to former Conservative minister Nick Boles).

Also agree Labour’s spending plans are far from extreme in an international context.

That's because you are looking at it in a black and white situation, there are many variables that hasn't been included.

It isn't just the top 5% who pay, there is also a mixture of a private/public healthcare, less generous benefits, etc etc, 25% on general VAT and why nordic countries are lowering their Corporate tax to want inward investment.

To try and use simplistic measures doesn't show any form of critical thinking or not being fed by 'the media'.

It's great news, especially as the polls can't be relied on and it will incentivise labour voters to get out and to vote whilst the torie voters will think they don't have to worry 👍🏻

1) Government debt has increased by £800bn under the Conservatives - an increase of 80% - and yet the NHS is underfunded, schools are underfunded, infrastructure is crumbling and there are 14 million people living in poverty. What exactly has the £800bn been spent on other than the billions spaffed on Brexit?

No understanding of deficit v debt after a decade talking about it. No understanding of a globalised economy or the nuances that it entails.

Take your momentum activism talking points and understand them before regurgitating them.

Every Conservative supporter appears to have read and been taken in by Johnson and Javid's costings of the Labour manifesto

Is this the same as every labour supporter who thinks it will only be the top 5% who will only pay more taxes and taken in by corbyn, it is only labour supporters who think they can re-nationalise industries without applying eu law and ignore elephant in the room that is private pensions etc etc.

If you didn;t just c&p the labour activist shite I would think you may have some basic understanding of what you are trying to argue. As it is, MN isn't hot on political activism

@Justanotherlurker if I’ve been posting about GDP and articles from multinationals care to show me?

Let's hope the polls are right

if I’ve been posting about GDP and articles from multinationals care to show me?

Oh, I got you mixed up with an ardent remainer, you being a brexiteer kind of explains why you are sticking to your routes and playing the anti neolib route.

@justanotherlurker where do you make this bullshit up?

The IFS criticism of Labour's costings was flawed.

So the IFS criticism of the tory costings was flawed?

Eg it said, well high earners would avoid tax- but it doesn't factor in the plans to stop that happening. And will rich people really leave?
Eg it said increasing corporation tax in 26% will cause prices to be passed onto consumers, but this isn't always the case, especially if that is guarded against. Anyway corporation tax was 28% in 2010.

Oh you have no real understanding of economics and just pretend that stopping people moving is a simple solution.

You should stop reading the daily mail canary, it really isn't as simplistic as you make out. You obviously lack any critical thinking skills, it's ok, just own it, just don't try and shout down others who have a different opinion than you.

Justalurker is now using insults to anyone who doesn’t agree with her way of thinking 🤔

I will be appalled if the Tories get in again. Our children will judge us

Not just wrong but immoral as well. You asked.

In my 10 minute walk to the shop just now, I got asked for money on 4 different occasions. Its that how this country should be because you'e worried about a bit of inheritance tax?

Well, that's as usual. Next post will be regretting every other posters lack of critical thinking skills, oh, I see it's already appeared. HOUSE!!! Pointless attempting to engage.

That's lurker, not you, Patroclus.

Justalurker is now using insults to anyone who doesn’t agree with her way of thinking

It is not me trying to play party politics under these usernames that highlights hypocrisy.

I stand by my neolib agenda, it is you who are having to jump through hoops.

@Justanotherlurker

Which parts of my post are factually incorrect? Where has the £800bn gone? What exactly is Johnson proposing? I see nothing of substance in the manifesto, which I assume is deliberate as it makes it all the more difficult to cost and criticise.

How can anyone cast a vote in favour of the waffle spouted by Johnson, Javid, Gove, Raab and the Britannia Unchained mob? Note that not one of these has any academic understanding of global economics or trade or has any industrial, manufacturing or social administration experience - they are variously journalists, lobbyists and lawyers. Without understanding the wider social and political implications, they all support the flawed Minford economic theories that have contributed to the demise of the UK over the last 30 years and they are coming dangerously close to pulling off the one of the greatest con-tricks ever by convincing those already worst affected by these policies to vote for more of the same.

Makes me incredibly sad actually. I really care about my child and everyone else's and if Tory's get in there will be more education cuts and in the fact I care for my child I'd quite like there to be an nhs

The outpouring of whining and wailing from lefties is going to be epic when the Tories win - I can't wait

I have a feeling you might live to regret that crowing Silvery. Utterly pathetic.

But as I said before, those who vote Tory will get the government you deserve which doesn’t give a fuck about you. And there’s no pockets on a shroud as they say.

It's great news, especially as the polls can't be relied on and it will incentivise labour voters to get out and to vote whilst the torie voters will think they don't have to worry

Tory voters never not vote because they don’t have to worry

They are the most loyal of voters

I would prefer to see Labour with a different leader so ahead in the polls. I’m not surprised it’s going to be a comfortable win with the Tories

And at last Corbyn shall be back on the back-benches where he belongs

Poverty is hilarious isnt it Silver. I know its all about keeping hold of as much of daddies money for you, but you could at least pretend it isnt all a game to you.