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To support the Duke of York

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LadyLanka · 16/11/2019 21:42

Just that.
Although he is being asked the wrong questions.

OP posts:
flowerpowerr · 17/11/2019 16:49

I just keep thinking what now ?

Yes - what is going to happen now?

NormanSmith · 17/11/2019 17:02

Mmmm I woke up wondering if he'd had a good night's sleep last night 🤦

Rosielily · 17/11/2019 17:07

Does anybody think that when the Queen +/or Prince Philip dies that an awful lot more will be revealed about PA (and others)?

CJDoesTheJackal · 17/11/2019 17:12

I was thinking how EM redeemed herself after the PM debates where the interviewees had no respect for her. She was spot on last night.

Roussette · 17/11/2019 17:13

Who is the second woman that PA opens the door for?
Sarah Kellen, Epstein's PA.

How PA did not know Epstein was some sort of pervert is inexplicable.
His NY house...
Fake nipples mounted on the wall in the bathroom that he could play with whilst having a bath
A life size female doll hanging from a chandelier
Life size naked statue of african woman
The 'leather' room
A human chessboard with naked women at the foot of the main stairs

How could PA not know he was a sexual deviant? He isn't regretful about anything, he regrets being caught out in this and having to answer questions.

VeryGenuinequestions · 17/11/2019 17:15

He didn't come on saying... '' I'm devastated, I had no idea, those poor girls, like my own daughters I'm horrified, he said they were blah... I've been disgusted... ''

He even said the contacts he made were worth the association?!

How, for whom! For the UK? What's the man done?

The eyes closing on difficult questions, looks to me like he's trying to hide.. Very suspect and shifty.

VeryGenuinequestions · 17/11/2019 17:16

After watching the chanel 4 dispatches... There is no way he's innocent.

minesagin37 · 17/11/2019 17:17

I will support him- all the way out of his palace to jail!

VeryGenuinequestions · 17/11/2019 17:18

And it's the legitimacy pa gave to epstein especially after his prison sentence.

Pa via that small dinner party, gave epstein the way back to New York society. It doesn't matter how large the party was. A guest said that

Alsohuman · 17/11/2019 17:19

I was thinking how EM redeemed herself after the PM debates where the interviewees had no respect for her. She was spot on last night.

I thought so too. She’s really gone up in my estimation.

Roussette · 17/11/2019 17:26

Emily came over as shocked as we all were.

At the end when Andrew said ' “quite obviously conducted himself in a manner unbecoming.”
She shot straight back and said "Unbecoming? He was a sex offender!"

Gin96 · 17/11/2019 17:54

The reviews on Pizza Express Woking are hilarious 😂

CSIblonde · 17/11/2019 17:55

As to the OP's comments about not spending holidays with Epsteins, that's a bizarre idea. Does trafficking underage girls only happen on millionaires & Royal's holidays? There's video footage of Andrew in his shirtsleeves at Epsteins home, opening the front door to a female visitor. He was obviously comfortable there & spent plenty of time around him. He spent time with a man openly surrounded by & photographed with, underage girls,(also openly travelled with them according to people in that circle). He'd have to have the naivety of a 10year old not to notice his friends proclivities.

Wakingupnow · 17/11/2019 17:59

YABVVVU op. Just watching this absolute train wreck on catch up now. How anyone could believe him I have no idea

billysboy · 17/11/2019 18:19

The google reviews for the pizza express hit the nail on the head !

No smoke without fire !

Wakingupnow · 17/11/2019 18:21

"I'm like everybody else" GrinGrin

CatherineOfAragonsPrayerBook · 17/11/2019 18:21

Does anybody think that when the Queen +/or Prince Philip dies that an awful lot more will be revealed about PA (and others)?

It's a terrible thing to say, and I don't wish it, but I think it will take the fond sentiment engendered by such a sad event to take focus away from this and stop renewed calls for a republic.

As for more stuff coming out....I am cynical.

Brown76 · 17/11/2019 18:25

Think it's telling that he was concerned about "being seen with" Epstein. Not about actually being around a child trafficker, just about "being seen with".

ListeningQuietly · 17/11/2019 18:27

Anne had her children removed from the Succession - and both seem to be very well adjusted

Edward requested non royal titles for his kids - they are younger but Lady Louise seems to have inherited her Mum's work ethic and her aunt's stamina.

Charles' kids had no choice, but William takes his kids on economy airlines

and Andrew demands titles and bling for his girls

He's the only Royal I've met who does not need protection as nobody wants to talk to him I've met a few

CJDoesTheJackal · 17/11/2019 18:38

Also, the indignance re the suggestion there was a birthday party/dinner when it was "just an ordinary shooting weekend". Shock

LolaSmiles · 17/11/2019 18:44

I think prior to the conviction there's grounds for accepting that friends and family wouldn't have been aware of Epstein's actions. One of the common themes when abusers are revealed is how manipulative they are are how they can live double lives and hide from their family/friends.

But there's no way that following the original conviction where Epstein p added guilty for Prince Andrew to begin to claim he has no ideas. Epstein was a convicted sex offender.

ListeningQuietly · 17/11/2019 18:45

Just to lighten the mood, but give some context.
Watch this video.
Think about the conditioning from a young age
Thing about seeking security
And only then wonder why girls smile through the pain

VeryGenuinequestions · 17/11/2019 19:01

I'm watching it again and he says.. I can't be seen with you, it's not appropriate we remain in contract.

It's still not saying... Your an abuser..

Epstein was '' understanding ''....

In pa head it's still about a friendship not about, an abuser.

The 2010!! Party, dinner party... I was there, it was a dinner... Which gave epstein legitimacy....

Convienient place to stay.
Honourable and right thing to do. Judgement colored by tendency to be honourable..

But to whom??!.. Honourable to whom?!

Wow. Its astonishing. He's a very blinkered sad man.

VeryGenuinequestions · 17/11/2019 19:06

She asks if Prince was used as part of his rehabilitation..

I wish she had asked him, does pa not realise as Prince of royal family.. He gave legitimacy to sex offender...

Limensoda · 17/11/2019 19:07

The eyes closing on difficult questions, looks to me like he's trying to hide.. Very suspect and shifty

Very suspect!
Closing his eyes at those points was a giveaway.