To ask about Jeremy Corbyn and anti semitism

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So having decided to vote labour I had a conversation with a Jewish work colleague who said she couldn't vote for him, hated him even. It took me a few seconds and then i realised why. I said that I had stuck my fingers in my ears and my head in the sand somewhat about this, hoping it was just the media etc.

We didn't get into it as I could see she was uncomfortable.

So can someone tell me if and why he is an anti-semite? It doesn't sit well with me to vote for someone like that but I desperately want the Tories gone and my politics is definitely to the left.

I'm honestly not being goady and I know I could google but i wouldn't know where to start to get an unbiased view

What does the writer need me to cover up?

Not cover up for the writer - cover up for Corbyn!

Jakymz Some of the posts were explicitly antisemitic, referencing conspiracy theories. Others - I'm guessing by MNHQ's comments - were judged to be sockpuppet accounts. I doubt your post will be deleted.

They were deleted because they were trolls/shills not because they were antisemitic.

I've only ever seen the word "shill" in discussions like this one. It's usually preceded by the words "paid" and "Israeli".

They were deleted because they were one poster, since banned, repeatedly name changing to make it look like their viewpoint had more support.

And, Jeremy is an antisemite btw.

According to the Urban Dictionary...

A word used by conspiracy theorists when they are losing an argument. The word originally referred to an accomplice of a travelling salesman selling quack remedies or similar items of dubious value. The conspiracy theorist calls their opponent a "shill" in an attempt to discredit them by implying that they are paid agents working for the government, the Bilderbergers, reptilian overlords, the Rotshschilds etc, because of course only such people could possibly disagree with them.

Now Kieran Offlands, a member who received a warning last year for anti-Semitic comments is literally the poster boy for Labour. I mean how hard is it to find somebody who hasn't tweeted about hating Jews to put on the front cover of your campaign material? You couldn't make this up!

@GlitchStich, that they have done it speaks volumes. It's hard to believe, after everything that has gone on and the pressure that the party is under about this topic, that it was a genuine mistake. At best, it was abject incompetence.

Confused as to when Corbyn became an anti-semite...
Was it in 1977 when he helped organise the defence of Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi anti-Jewish march?
In 1990 when he signed a Commons' motion condemning the rise of antisemitism?
In 2000 when Corbyn condemned David Irving for Holocaust denial?
In 2002 when he personally helped clean a Finsbury Park synagogue after an anti-semitic attack?
In 2004 when he condemned the French Government for trying to ban the Jewish Kippa in schools?
In 2006 when Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-semitic remarks?
Same year when he led condemnations of an Iranan magazine running a Holocaust cartoon competition?
2008 when he praised the Jewish heroes of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising?
In 2009 when he condemned anti-semitism on social media?
Same year when he praised the heroism of Britsh Jews in the Holocaust?
2010 when he called for Yemeni Jews to be given refugee status here in the UK?
Maybe 2010 when Corbyn praised a former Israeli PM for working for a genuine two-state solution?
2011 when he condemned John Galliano for anti-semitism?
2012 when he condemned the auctioning of Nazi memorabilia and opposed anti-semitic attacks during Euro 2012 in Poland?
2013 when Corbyn was one of very few MPs who spoke against anti-semitic press attacks on Ralph Miliband?
2014 when he praised the Holocaust Memorial Trust?
2015 when he helped plan a counter-fascist demo to a proposed march targeting Jewish residents in Golders Green?
2016 when he shed tears at the Cable Street commemoration?
2016, visiting Terezin Concentration Camp?
2017-19 when he's introduced new measures to fight Labour Party anti-semitism?
Seems to me he's been too busy rightly supporting Jewish people to have time for anti-semitism

I've only ever seen the word "shill" in discussions like this one. It's usually preceded by the words "paid" and "Israeli".

Well now you’ve seen it in a different context. Corbyn Superfans making up accounts to make it look like people pointing out Labour’s antisemitism has actually made people join Labour.

So quite the opposite of what you’re suggesting. And it’s not a conspiracy theory because the accounts have been deleted by MN who have ways of checking these things.

@PumpkinPiloter maybe it was when he let scumbags stay in his party. Or when he tried to change the internationally agreed definition of antisemitism to suit them.
Or when he saw a mural with an antisemitic image so obvious you would think Goebbels has done it and still said it was great.
Maybe it was then.

Unfortunately we tend to believe what we're told to believe by the press in combination with things that reinforce our own prejudices and opinions. Thats why political parties spend so much on PR and spin doctors. It wouldn't matter what Corbyn did or said about anti-semitism it would be altered or ignored and some other issue escalated to be new new issue. Its just the powers that be, the power players that run the country, have decided he has to go. The press has passed by on BJ and his antics because they can't be seen to detract from the Conservatives just now. The other parties are largely ignored as not relevant in terms of the government (sad but true).

It says much for our election priorities when our main concern is over someones pronunciation of a name.

I agree that his comments about the mural were ill-judged and actually so does he: "I sincerely regret that I did not look more closely at the image I was commenting on, the contents of which are deeply disturbing and anti-Semitic".

I find Boris Jonson's comments about Muslim women looking like letter boxes and comparing black people to piccaninnies with watermelon smiles significantly more overtly racist.

PumpkinPiloter I'd have a lot more time for your perspective if you actually bothered to engage with what has been said on these posts including people's personal experiences, rather than copying and pasting a chunk of the denial script you've found on the internet.

BigFatLies Unfortunately it is not just the "power players" who do not want Corbyn to be PM. Polling evidence shows that a large majority of the electorate do not want him to be PM either.

An intelligent well read man like Corbyn should have seen that it was obviously antisemitic. You didn't need to look more closely.
At best he is casual and unthinking about people who don't fit into his world view.
And of course Johnson is a reprehensible racist toad. This isn't about him. I don't expect better from him. I wouldn't consider voting Tory.

@PumpkinPiloter

What about the time he wrote the foreword for a virulently antisemitic book that claimed Jews controlled world finance and government policy?

A direct quote: financial systems are “united by the strongest bonds of organisation, always in closest and quickest touch with one another, situated in the very heart of the business capital of every state, controlled, so far as Europe is concerned, by men of a single and peculiar race, who have behind them many centuries of financial experience, they are in a unique position to control the policy of nations”

In his foreword, Corbyn made no mention to the antisemitism, and simply described the book as ‘brilliant’.

Was he just unlucky on that occasion too?

The author, Hobson, refers to this “strange and peculiar race” as the “House of Rothschild”, by the way, so it is completely obvious who he is talking about. Not that there was any doubt anyway.

If Corbyn went on tv and said "I've made some bad calls with the company I keep and I shouldn't have given them my time. I need to take the lead on rooting out the bad apples spoiling the Labour Party" - I'd appreciate the honesty. Wouldn't vote Labour with him as leader but I'd appreciate the honesty.
We expect Prince Andrew to do it and he's not aiming to be PM.

Article by Norman Finkelstein re Labour party anti-Semitism - no doubt pp on here will be along shortly to tell why he - a Jew and expert on the Israeli/Palestine conflict - is 'unacceptable' to them as a voice of sanity.

Not read the article you refer to. He's entitled to his opinion.

ArseDarkly

Good point about Finkelstein, because there are plenty of Jewish people who support Corbyn and who are critical of the policies of Israel - Avi Shlaim, Raul Hilberg, Noam Chomsky etc.
The BDS movement was endorsed by Desmond Tutu, Stephen Hawking, National Union of Teachers, Unite, TUC.
There is also the Jewish Voice for Labour, which is diametrically opposed to the views of Labour Friends of Israel (a group which is heavily influenced by the Israeli embassy in London, as are the Conservative Friends of Israel and Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel).

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/09/israel-bds-blacklist-apartheid-uk-war-on-want

The following gives a real insight into the working of the Israeli state, with regard to interference in UK politics. People should also be aware of the "Shai Masot" affair.

www.aljazeera.com/investigations/thelobby/

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/israel-embassy-scandal-shai-masot-resigns-threat-take-down-mps-labour-nus-critical-pro-palestinian-a7524446.html

Tokenism is racism.

Listening only to the tiny minority of Jews who agree with you, and ignoring the fears of the 87% who do not, is tokenism.

Ergo, it is racism.

Corbyn was just interviewed by the Evening Standard, and the level of absolute denialism is shocking even by his standards:

www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/esmagazine/jeremy-corbyn-labour-interview-election-antisemitism-brexit-a4290601.html

Right. So what about the question of anti-Semitism? He suddenly turns from Mr Affable to Mr Angry, as if someone has pressed a switch. ‘There is NO anti-Semitism in the Labour Party,’ he bellows. Huh? How can he believe that when The Jewish Chronicle recently published a poll saying that half the British Jewish community would consider emigrating if Corbyn came to power?

Oh brilliant. I was just wondering when someone was going to mention "The Lobby".

A 6 month investigation by a broadcaster whose purpose is to promote the soft power of a non-democratic state that doesn't recognize Israel.

The Shai Masot "affair" was a low ranking political officer at the Israeli Embassy who acted outside his authority and made a complete fool of himself. He was disciplined and sent home, the Israeli embassy apologised and the UK government considered the matter closed and that was that. However, for the conspiracists and Israel-obsessed on the left, this minor incident has become "The Truth" to be mashed up, reproduced, propagated and posted ad nauseam on Labour forums as "proof" of what these numskulls already believe- that "Israel interferes with politics".

This is how antisemitism is being propagated on the Left today.