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To ask about Jeremy Corbyn and anti semitism

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TheoriginalLEM · 16/11/2019 18:10

So having decided to vote labour I had a conversation with a Jewish work colleague who said she couldn't vote for him, hated him even. It took me a few seconds and then i realised why. I said that I had stuck my fingers in my ears and my head in the sand somewhat about this, hoping it was just the media etc.

We didn't get into it as I could see she was uncomfortable.

So can someone tell me if and why he is an anti-semite? It doesn't sit well with me to vote for someone like that but I desperately want the Tories gone and my politics is definitely to the left.

I'm honestly not being goady and I know I could google but i wouldn't know where to start to get an unbiased view

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AnnieTotach · 18/11/2019 23:41

I didn't realise British Jews were stealing peoples houses! Is this happening in Golders Green???

Idonthaveaname35 · 18/11/2019 23:43

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ArseDarkly · 18/11/2019 23:43

Sealioning (also spelled sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment which consists of pursuing people with persistent requests for evidence or repeated questions, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity.

So, a neat way of trying to shut people down with accusations of trolling when in fact they are asking questions in a reasonable way.

GlitchStitch · 18/11/2019 23:44

This thread is about British Jews and the labour party, specifically Corbyn. You said you haven't read anything on this thread that shows Corbyn to be anti-Semitic. What do you think about his praise and support for Raed Salah, and his blaming Jews for his deportation? That's just one example on this thread.

PeterOhanrahahanrahan · 18/11/2019 23:45

"So, a neat way of trying to shut people down with accusations of trolling when in fact they are asking questions in a reasonable way."

No. Answers have been given, she simply wants to frustrate people, derail the discussion and waste people's time.

Idonthaveaname35 · 18/11/2019 23:49

Unfortunately politicians have shared a platform with unsavoury people. Our own PM has shared a platform to Mohamed bin Salman who has been accused of all sorts of terrible things.

Idonthaveaname35 · 18/11/2019 23:50

Still doesn’t prove JC is an anti Semite

ArseDarkly · 18/11/2019 23:52

This thread is about British Jews and the labour party, specifically Corbyn.

Who says? The original post was asking 'if and why' Corbyn is an anti-semite. The Israel/Palestine issue lies at the root of the accusations against Corbyn so it's perfectly reasonable for pp to post and ask questions about it. Stop deflecting

PeterOhanrahahanrahan · 18/11/2019 23:52

Still doesn’t prove JC is an anti Semite

I doubt anyone here has been resssured that he's not, based on the responses to this thread.

Vegheaven · 18/11/2019 23:53

What’s the difference between Jewish people throwing Palestinians out of their homes and Germans throwing Jewish people out of their homes during WW2? I don't understand this either. And I can't choose between anti-semitic labour and anti-islamic tories, I object to both on an equal basis. I feel they are all a shower of bastards. So I disregard both. I feel Boris is all about Boris, ihe's an egotistical arse if forced I'd vote for corbyn but fortunately I can vote Lib Dem instead - it's still not perfect but it'll do.

noblegiraffe · 18/11/2019 23:53

ArseDarkly talking of avoiding questions, can you see the antisemitism in the recent posts?

GlitchStitch · 18/11/2019 23:57

He didn't only share a platform, he praised him, a man who accuses Jews of the blood libel and has been convicted of inciting hatred against them. And then blamed Jews for objecting to his presence! How can you say that isn't anti-Semitism?

blighter · 18/11/2019 23:58

Antisemites always say you can't criticise Israel without being called anti Jewish BUT it is always the same ones who ALWAYS bring Israel into a discussion about Jew haters. No point in answering your question because you don't want to hear any answer other than ones you like. Btw how long ago did you live in Israel? No fucking way do you have a Jewish fiance so stop lying. People here are laughing at you

Idonthaveaname35 · 18/11/2019 23:59

And you think the Saudis aren’t and haven’t been antisemitic? Yet our gov is happy to call them allies. Does that make our gov racist?

GlitchStitch · 19/11/2019 00:00

And I'm the one who gets accused of deflecting!

Halleli · 19/11/2019 00:00

This thread shouldn't even be about Israel, but for the benefit of people who don't have the slightest empathy, and can't put themselves in Israeli Jews' shoes even for a second, let me spell it out for you.

The year is 1936. You live in Germany. Adolf Hitler is Chancellor. If you own a shop, it is marked with a yellow star so that non-Jews know not to buy from you. Your children probably aren't allowed to go to the local school.

Maybe you manage to escape to Mandatory Palestine (before the British closed that escape route). Maybe you go into hiding for 4 or 5 years, never seeing the sun. Maybe you are sent to a concentration camp but survive. Either way, most of your relatives are slaughtered.

In 1945, you are finally freed. If you have been in a concentration camp, you are now in a refugee camp - you can't go back to your home as non-Jewish Germans are living there. Do you want to stay in Europe, among the people who slaughtered your parents, your grandparents, your cousins, your siblings, maybe your children?

You don't. You want to be among your people, who know what you're been through. Britain promised in 1917 that it would create a Jewish National Home in Palestine. That is where you want to be.

By 1947, the situation in Palestine has deteriorated rapidly. The Arabs are angry at the influx of Jews - and who can blame them - inter communal violence increases, and Britain gives up, handing the matter to the UN to resolve.

The UN decides the only solution is to partition the land. Is it a perfect solution? No. But is it the only possible one? Yes.

Do the Jews accept it? Yes. Do the Arabs? No. They want the whole land. They aren't willing to share. Arab governments invade, attacking a people who have just survived a genocide. But they are defeated by the Jewish army, who in the process take more land than the UN partition plan allocated to them - why? Because the UN proposed borders were not defendable - they divided both the Jewish and the Arab state into three separate parts each.

Israel did not start the war - it was attacked. It needs to make sure it can defend itself in the future. If the Arabs hadn't tried to take more land than they had been given, there would have been a Palestinian state in 1947. The Jewish people have just seen 6 million of their friends and relatives slaughtered like animals. They are going to do what they need to do to defend their only chance at a Jewish state.

In the process, many Palestinians are displaced and end up in other Arab states. Do those states grant them citizenship and allow them to work? Nope. They leave them stranded in filthy refugee camps.

After 1948, Jordan takes control of the West Bank, granting all those who live there Jordanian citizenship. Egypt takes control of Gaza.

So the people in the West Bank and Gaza didn't have a Palestinian state, but they were part of two Arab states. That could have been ok.

But in 1967 the Arab governments, led by Nasser, decide again to try and destroy the world's only Jewish state. The Egyptian troops invade from Gaza, and the Jordanian troops invade from the West Bank. When Israel defeats them in 6 days, occupying those territories in the process, what is it supposed to do? Give them back and open itself up to another invasion?

Of course, it is terrible for all those who live under occupation. But if Israel relinquishes control of those territories, it would be catastrophic for Israeli civilians.

Jews have been expelled from over 1000 cities and countries over the last 2000 years. Whenever a country has a problem, we were always the first to be blamed. Anti-Jewish violence didn't start and end with the Holocaust - pogroms have been a fact of Jewish life for millennia.

Israel has to win every single war. If the Arabs win one war, then Israel will be no more and Jews will have no place in the world where we know we are safe.

In 2005, Israel removes all its settlers from Gaza. The response? Rockets pouring down on civilians across southern Israel. Do you seriously think Israel can risk withdrawing from the West Bank after that experience?

IF the same thing happens in the West Bank that happened in Gaza, then nowhere in the whole of Israel will be out of range of rockets. Nowhere will be safe.

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blighter · 19/11/2019 00:02

Lots of people care on here actually. You don't as you are a new hater

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GlitchStitch · 19/11/2019 00:04

What's your guide to what happened then Idonthaveaname if you know better?

blighter · 19/11/2019 00:04

Btw I can swear if I want to. You didn't answer the question. How long did you live in Israel to have so much knowledge of the place ? 😂

ArseDarkly · 19/11/2019 00:05

Antisemites always say you can't criticise Israel without being called anti Jewish BUT it is always the same ones who ALWAYS bring Israel into a discussion about Jew haters.

If you label anyone who criticises Israel as 'antisemitic' then it stands to reason you will find 'antisemites' criticising Israel.

PeterOhanrahahanrahan · 19/11/2019 00:06

Halleli

Thank you for posting that. So sorry that you should even feel you have to.

Idonthaveaname35 · 19/11/2019 00:06

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