To ask about Jeremy Corbyn and anti semitism

[TheoriginalLEM]

So having decided to vote labour I had a conversation with a Jewish work colleague who said she couldn't vote for him, hated him even. It took me a few seconds and then i realised why. I said that I had stuck my fingers in my ears and my head in the sand somewhat about this, hoping it was just the media etc.

We didn't get into it as I could see she was uncomfortable.

So can someone tell me if and why he is an anti-semite? It doesn't sit well with me to vote for someone like that but I desperately want the Tories gone and my politics is definitely to the left.

I'm honestly not being goady and I know I could google but i wouldn't know where to start to get an unbiased view

Her name is Luciana Berger FFS. You must really have been moved by her plight to have forgotten her name.

A lot of other lies from both sides above.

In his 'dont understand irony' bullshit, he was talking about Zionism not Judaism as you tried to make out, ConfessionsOF

He didnt write a 'gushing foreword' to a book, he wrote a foreword pointing out the antisemitism within, Gitch.

John Mann dramatically left the labour party and became a tory trade envoy to Israel, not because he resigned in protest of AS but because he was about to be deselected by his constituents who thought him useless and self serving.

There have been studies and yougov polls which indicate higher levels of prejudice including anti semitism in the other parties and general population than in the labour party.

Lansman (head of Corbyn supporting Momentum) was enemy number one to the right wing press until he offered up that quote being clung onto here.

If it all so plain why all these pathetic little lies and leaving out of key information?

On the other hand the lefts Israel fixtion is ridiculous and has translated into AS in some party members. It also become something of a self fulfiing prophecy, with Jew haters attaching themselves to the party after reading the press.

Im not sure if Corbyn is a jew hater, but he is certainly dim as fuck and should have gone long ago rather than making this worse, and giving bait to a press which hounded the previous Labour (jewish) leader for eating a bacon sandwich (be careful who you take your moral direction from, maybe have a look at their pathetic response to Farage and Reese Moggs recent anti semitic ramblings.)

It was also the times of Israel who posted 'when genocide is permissible', not the Chronicle, though the Chronicle has serious credibiity issues of its own and its no way the 'main publication of the jewish comunity'.

He didnt write a 'gushing foreword' to a book, he wrote a foreword pointing out the antisemitism within

He called it brilliant. He didn't mention anti-Semitism in the forward, he referred to as a 'great tome' and only said he condemns the anti-Semitism within it after he was criticized for writing it .

And after being held to account over the foreword to the Hobson book, he wrote an appalling letter to Marie van der Zyl, president of the Board of Deputies, not apologising or acknowledging any damage but blaming the media for attacking him. That was my turning point with regard to Corbyn's personal responsibility for the antisemitism in the Labour Party.

This is interesting.

mainlymacro.blogspot.com/2019/11/corbyn-and-antisemitism.html?m=1

Patroclus

Im not sure if Corbyn is a jew hater, but he is certainly dim as fuck

Damn. If that’s not the political quote of the year, I don’t know what is!

I promise I am not being goady. I am just overwhelmed by all of the information out there and I generally find I can snaffle a consensus out of mnet threads.

To the poster who suggested I look at the local candidate, i have done that and she did attend an anti antisemitism rally so that is something I guess.

I definitely don't want to be bashing JC with the antisemitism trope, and that's why I started the thread because i wanted to believe it was the tory media using it as a stick to beat him with.

Of course the Jewish Chronicle is the main newspaper publication of the mainstream Jewish community. It's less influential than it used to be, as are many papers, but i still remember my parents, despite being secular Jews, having the Jewish Chronicle delivered every Friday. There is no other equivalent publication. Anyone with any understandign of the Jewish community knows this. Apart from those trying to excuse and explain away Corbyn's antisemitism and the fears of the Jewish community.

Finnaly (I hope) Luciana Berger's 'police protection' was atuay the same protection given to any higher profile figures outside of the event, she idnt actualy have any protection inside. She didnt actually lie about this herself, but the press did and some here.

twitter.com/lucianaberger/status/1063354328453402629?lang=en-gb

"Nothing to do with a personality cult, everything to do with policy.
If you don't agree with the policies, fair enough."

Actually, quite sympathetic to his policies. Yet, will not vote labour as they are antisemitic. I have voted for Labour in the past (never voted tory) and did not think they were antisemitic other than on the extreme fringes. Sadly under Corbyn's leadership, the fringe has become mainstream and anti-semitism has become accepted in a way I have never seen under any other leader. It's outrageous and disgusting.

Actually, I qualify my statement that the Labour party is antisemitic. There are still many excellent Labour MPs who are appalled at what is happening to their party and are not antisemitic in any way, shape or form. But the party is being taken over and changed. It's so sad to watch.

@21marvellousnightforamooncup

A very interesting read, thank you.

Thats exactly what jewish people say about it now. 'yeah my grandad used to read it'. They dont use it as a basis for judging a person's whole moral character.

Corbyn said in his foreword it was 'controversial' and 'of its time' (not in his 'apology)- this of a book which doesnt directly mention jews. I also notice the 'fury' came years after he actually wrote the foreword...

No one is using it to judge a person's character. That person's actions and deed are what are being used to judge his character.

The Jewish Chronicle is simply reflecting the feelings of the community where 87% of British Jews feel that Corbyn is an anti-semite. Labour is currently polling at 6% among Jews or something like that.

I have never seen anything like it and no one else I speak to has either. There have been left-wing Labour leaders in the past and there was never ever this feeling of dread.

How can you ignore and minimise this FFS?! Almost an entire minority ethnic community believe the person who may become PM is racist against them. We are not all idiots or Tory stooges you know. In fact, the betrayal for those of us (like me) who are left leaning is even worse.

I also notice the 'fury' came years after he actually wrote the foreword...

Was it when he became Leader of the Opposition? Can you imagine why that might be?

That link marvellous gives is rather interesting in what it leaves out. Nothing about Luciana Berger or the other Labour MPs, peers and elected officials who have quit citing antisemitism, for example.

Also it says that Labour are dealing with their antisemitism problem. Really? Look how long it takes them to kick out antisemites compared to how long it took to kick out Alastair Campbell. And they reinstated Chris Williamson recently! (That was hastily overturned when they realised just how awful the optics were). And despite repeated requests, no independent complaints procedure has been set up.

I think that anti semitism is being weaponised. The right wing MSM who hate labour, and particularly Corbyn, are happy to aid and abet this. . Jewish voices within the Labour Party don’t all speak with one voice, but those who dissent from the script that Corbyn is a anti Semite are silenced and mocked. It’s interesting that there are a lot of Jews in the media,- particularly the bbc! Baroness warsi has tried to get the islamaphobia that’s rampant within the Tory party highlighted and acted upon to no avail. There is no evidence whatsoever that JC is an anti Semite. He is pro Palestinian though, so that’s enough apparently to make him a Jew hater.

I seriously can't comprehend how people think that pointing out that no one cared about Jeremy Corbyn's antisemitism when he was an obscure backbencher as opposed to potentially the Prime Minister is somehow a serious argument. I feel like I'm in some kind of parallel universe.

The book also used racist language about Africans and Asians, that can’t have gone unnoticed. There are lots of historical works that contain language that we’d never use today. As far as I understand it the book is considered important in the history of economics and imperialism and lots of politicians from all spectrums have studied it and referenced the ideas within it in speeches etc, but of course understanding that it’s a work of its time. As far as I can see this is pretty much what the foreword said and pretty much what you’d expect a foreword of a ‘universally well regarded but controversial in part historical work’ to say.

It really is sad to watch.

Likewise, it would almost be amusing to me to be called a secret Tory out to undermine the Labour Party, as I've been a Labour supporter all my life. But being accused of lying and being a secret undercover Conservative shill however, simply for expressing genuine concerns over the rise of anti semitism, is depressing rather than amusing and I'm not fucking laughing.

I have been voting and^^ campaigning for the Labour Party for over twenty five years. To then be dismissed as a trouble maker with an agenda, out to stir up hatred for a party I have given so much of my time, money and effort to, is actually quite hurtful. Some of the comments here doubting my (and other peoples') intentions and casting aspersions, saying we are lying and just part of a conspiracy to smear Corbyn, is ridiculous.

Our voices should be listened to.

" It’s interesting that there are a lot of Jews in the media,- particularly the bbc!"

Yes, we control it! Didn't you know? And the banks too. It's all part of our plot to take over the world.

Fucking hell have we really not moved on from people saying things like "It’s interesting that there are a lot of Jews in the media,- particularly the BBC!"

Have you heard yourself?!

God, it's like a fucking parody. I'd laugh if i didn't actually want to cry.

Fuck it, I'm done, it's not good for my blood pressure. I don't think I need to add any more, I think the comments on this thread speak for themselves and actually demonstrate the rise of acceptance of anti semitism. I hope it's useful for anyone who wasn't fully aware of the issues.

Yes but @Travelfan1 is not antisemitic and there was nothing antisemitic about that phrase about Jews in the media, just pro-Palestinian.