To ask for a view on this ? If someone gets benefits and are not a carer / single parent etc .. then they should contribute to society in order to receive benefits ?

[Ooola]

I think in society we should all support orhers.
The taxpayers contribute by paying taxes .
Vulnerable people such as disabled , carers etc should be supported by others .
Those who can’t find work and get benefits .. should be required to give something back for the money they get ...not be forced to work for a big co operation but to contribute . Things like park maintenance , listening services , support to the struggling public services . There could be matching service so that they could chose to gain experience or use the skills they have to benefit others .
Any police checks , as are required in other jobs , would be funded . Does this sound fair ? If we all give what we can then it may be of benefit to all , including the claimant who could use this to build c v , etc . Surely it’s win win in principle ? If someone gets benefits say at a level of 10 k , 13 k , 20 k
.. it feels fair that they give something for that especially as it is comparable to someone working and getting minimum wage ?
Clearly time would need to be given off for job interviews etc .

Usually those who claim that people stay on benefits because it's easier than working have limited experience and knowledge of the realities of the current benefits system.

Ooola

Maybe someone on full rate PIP with 4 children.
Certainly not the average person on UC
Don’t base your views on right wing media

Maybe we could have a system where we pay a percentage of our income to cover stuff like benefits

That's brilliant. Some kind of insurance, nationally.

Och get a clue OP. You haven’t the first idea what you’re talking about.

@QuestionableMouse

If I had a cap I'd be doffing it!

@Ooola that includes rent and council tax benefit.

To add to my last post - find me an organisation that uses volunteers whether it is one that clears the local waterways, does furniture collection or a local hospice that wants enforced volunteers.

Awful idea. Sounds like a way to get cheap labour...as in less than minimum wage. Like a pp said, if someone is required to carry out jobs, then they should be properly employed to do so.

As for childless, non disabled, non carer, single benefit claimants, they are hardly coining it in.

Your idea sounds one up from a workhouse.

Cinammoncake
Yes , I agree with you . But there are generations of people who are not motivated to work ( I don’t meN I’m deprived areas where it is scarce )
There are some very entitled people out there who refuse to work for minimum wage , won’t do this or that
I am nit talking about people trying to get work against the odds .

That's brilliant. Some kind of insurance, nationally.

I wonder what they would call it?

Weird and impractical combination of socialist job creation and Thatcherite heartlessness.

Surely people get sanctioned these days if they "refuse" to work? The whole thing is a complete dogs dinner and needs urgently overhauling. People are DYING because of the way benefits are currently administered.

So very tricky.
I’m one of those harridans who believes that no one should be on benefits unless there is a genuine need. And I mean genuine.
Genuine disability, genuine caring role.
What I really want to say ( I’m prepared to be flamed) is that I simply do not understand the many folk ( yes I’ve encountered them ) who simply think that they can have as many children as they want and feel that the state must provide whilst not contributing anything to the state whatsoever.

ColaFreezePop
The type of job would not be enforced . There would be choices based on interest or ability .
Anyway you talk about enforced volunteers .. as someone who in the past has hated a couple of jobs .. those jobs felt pretty ‘ enforced ‘ to me ! Sometimes I had to do an ‘ enforced ‘ job myself and get on with it ?!!!

Obsidian77
Why is it headless to give people a decent occupation , feel they are contributing , for money ?

Let’s think of this way. I run my own company. I’m looking for staff. Why should I hire paid staff when I get some poor soul off the dole to come and work for me for zilch.
Leading to more unemployment.
Does this slave labour (which is what it is)
sound like such a lark now.
Leave the poor alone. They have enough to deal with.
Oh and watch out Karmas watching.
What goes around usually comes around.

Heartless !

The benefit cap is set at 20 k . People get paid it.

Most of the households who were receiving over £20,000 were those with a high rate of housing benefit, e.g., high private rent. They were/are predominantly based in London and SE England.

Claimants weren't keeping that money, the sole beneficiaries of those particular housing benefit payments were private landlords.

Housing benefit, alongside other benefits, is now capped so no one can claim over £20,000 a year (except for those households which are exempt from the cap). On paper it sounds great to certain people - lazy feckers, why should they have when I don't, blah blah blah. In reality it means many claimants are struggling to pay their rent, millions of children are living in poverty, and the use of food banks has soared.

What if you claim benefits because of severe disability? How would you carry out park maintenance?

Anyway you talk about enforced volunteers .. as someone who in the past has hated a couple of jobs .. those jobs felt pretty ‘ enforced ‘ to me ! Sometimes I had to do an ‘ enforced ‘ job myself and get on with it ?!!!

Ooooooh you’ve single-handily balanced the British economy. However will we thank you?

Though just to add, I’m sick of hearing of people with genuine and debilitating conditions who are deemed ‘fit for work.’

Awwlookatmybabyspider
Karma
? If I was on benefits and able to contribute I absolutely would . I’d feel
Guilty if I didn’t .

Genuine disability, genuine caring role

Please do share your definition of genuine...

Pardonwhat Was simply saying we sometimes have to do things we don’t like .
Sorry , but it’s true .