To think school shouldn’t insist that everyone wears a poppy and donates £1

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It’s supposedly in a deprived area too - there are constant reminders of the high percentage of pupils with PP.

Also, I don’t think a school should insist everyone wears a poppy - or AIBU?

I don't wear a poppy, I occasionally donate to the RBL but not too often because I don't live in the uk (I do have RBL poppy earrings though and wore them today)

I hate the competitive poppy wearing and I hate how it is used as a stick to beat people (saw a good friend post a load of tripe about how Corbyn never wears one...) and I think that if you want to wear one do it, if you don't want to, then don't wear one.

The only time I've worn a poppy is when it was decreed that it was part of our uniform, and then I wore it. That's my own preference.

OP people aren’t going to believe you just because you say they’re unreasonable not to.

Why wouldn't you believe OP, Lumene? You weren't there, and frankly it's entirely possible that the school has done this - it wouldn't be the first. Demands that she identify the school by giving more information or documents are ridiculous.

The BBC’s obsession with the poppy and all things “remembrance” is bordering on some kind of corporate psychosis.I honestly think the BBC thinks the prevailing mindset in the UK is Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells

I don't think it's their obsession. They and other broadcasters have had so much unnecessary grief in the past if individual performers or presenters aren't wearing a poppy at this time of year that they have decided to take the line of least resistance. If that's what they think about the prevailing mindset, broadly speaking they're not wrong, although if anything the undercurrents are considerably nastier than a straight Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells response.

I'm glad to hear you haven't been asked about Bloody Sunday lteve because judging by your responses on this thread, your attitude to it isn't something I'd want transmitted to children.

When I was a child, the old people of the village would sell poppies for remembrance day. They were actually remembering friends and neighbours who had died or been injured during WW1 and WW2 these casualties of war were volunteers or conscripted, my dad lost many of his childhood friends. The RBL raised money to support the survivors and families affected by these conflicts. Now all those from the first WW and most from the second WW are gone. So what are we remembering, or not really remembering but thinking about, for me I'm thinking war is just awful I don't need a poppy to know that I can say a prayer read the names on the memorial have some silent thought.
Poppies to me are just like other charity badges or wrist bands. They raise money for a military charity and I think that the career military of today are different from the volunteers and conscripts of the world wars. I have nothing against the RBL I just prefer to give my charity donations to other causes.

I have been dismissive (read, bored by) one poster who constantly posted one liners about Bloody Sunday. Not anyone else, nor on any other subject

Your amazing ability to count when working out how many times I referred to bloody Sunday seems to have failed you when counting the number of lines in my posts.

Being bored by a discussion on the murder of children shows an appalling level of callousness and no amount of claiming it is anything else will change that.

your attitude to it isn't something I'd want transmitted to children

What is my attitude to it? Because I wasn't aware I had one.

My one, single, post that mentions my view on Bloody Sunday was this

If a 10 year old bought up Bloody Sunday (highly unlikely) I would talk about it. I have nothing to hide, experience teaches us to learn from our mistakes. It was a terrible incident, and we all have to learn to make sure nothing like that happens again

and I cannot see how that equates to me having an 'attitude' about it?

I will carry buying the poppy. My grandfather died fighting for this country, my bil was a changed man after fighting to protect the brits in the falklands. Then there’s the 2 soldiers that were beaten to death while cowards stood and clapped.

ExLtve ignore some some of the posts on here. They are very anti English and quite frankly if you told them you ran into a burning building to save their children they’d moan you weren’t quick enough.

Your dismissive attitude eve, evidenced by the succession of posts you've made telling us how bored you are with the Bloody Sunday discussion, and the total failure to engage with anyone who's pointed out to you what the problem is. Sure, you called it a terrible incident, you recognise that much at least. I suppose that's something. But your whining at people having the temerity to mention it more times than you would like, and saying you're bored with it, that callousness would be a horrible message for children to be exposed to.

Added to which you apparently are labouring under the delusion that every British soldier who ever committed any crime in Northern Ireland was identified and punished for it, which doesn't exactly speak well for your ability to understand the subject, much less to educate or inform.

YANBU - I don’t give to charities that support military causes or personnel and hate this cult of the poppy that has sprung up.
Kids should be free to choose to wear or not wear a poppy and donate what they have not a specific amount.

You are being wilfully ignorant. I have said, time and time again that it was the poster You are purposefully ignoring that, bordering on gaslighting.

I haven't 'whined' once. I haven't acknowledged that poster since. Even though her posts are purposely antagonistic, like yours. Other than one-loner soundbites, nothing of substance has been posted.

The Bloody Sunday incident is a terrible stain on the Para Regiment. It shouldn't have happened, and I hope lessons have been learnt.

I’m from Northern Ireland - while I respect the memory of those who died in the World Wars I will not donate or support a charities that give money to former Paras. I remember how they treated us.

All those crimes in ni, where they all committed by the U.K. army? Nah of course they weren’t. Really fuck off. How dare you. You seem to be labouring under the delusion that all crimes were dealt with, get a grip. Your the one that needs educating.

I do hope we are done. I come on MN as light relief from the abusive MRAs and TRAs on Twitter constantly badgering and twisting words for their own agenda. I don't expect it here.

The Royal British Legion only ask for a donation for a poppy, there is no set price. Please raise this with the school or contact your local poppy appeal organiser (their details will be on the collection pot left at the school) or alternatively call 0808 802 8080 and ask to speak to your local RBL Community Fundraiser.

Nah people are very very violent and the violence in Ireland is being caused by the English

Sigh. It's not a question of ignoring your explanation lteve, merely one of it being totally unconvincing. If you're only willing to discuss the issue when it's framed in a way to your liking, and make accusations of antagonism when it isn't (uppity Irish, eh) and regale us all with how bored you are when someone from the community the British Army committed atrocities against in NI mentions it more times than you want them to...then yes, your attitude is a problem. And some people are going to have concerns about children being exposed to it. Whether you choose to take that on board or not.

All those crimes in ni, where they all committed by the U.K. army? Nah of course they weren’t. Really fuck off. How dare you. You seem to be labouring under the delusion that all crimes were dealt with, get a grip. Your the one that needs educating.

Who is this post addressed to?

20p in our school

@Idontmatter - All those crimes in ni, where they all committed by the U.K. army? Nah of course they weren’t. Really fuck off.

Are the Legion supporting any of the others who committed crimes in Northern Ireland? Nah, they're not, which is why those other atrocities are not relevant to a discussion on the poppy.

I never wear a poppy. Never have.
I do respect the minutes silence as that is simply acknowledging the suffering and death of people in conflicts.
I hate the poppy mafia thing and I think it is not right to force children to wear one or contribute to the fundraising. It has to be a free choice.

Even though her posts are purposely antagonistic, like yours. Other than one-loner soundbites, nothing of substance has been posted.

My posts were not antagonist. Disagreeing with your opinion is not the same thing as antagonism. I started by pointing out why many do not support the poppy. I responded to other posters who disagreed in a derisory manner.

You may not like having the atrocities of the British army pointed out to you, and there were many more than bloody Sunday. It doesn't make them any less relevant to a debate on support for the RBL.

There were many antagonist, insulting posts supporting the poppy. But as you agree with them, you obviously consider them to be acceptable.

Feel free to ignore me. It simply makes you look childish.

@Glitterb because someone people are pacifists. Because some people don't support the RBL. Because you don't need to wear a poppy to remember the fallen

Correct.
My family lost members in the Boer War, WW1 and WW2, don't need lecturing by anybody that I need to wear a poppy to remember that. Those that survived came back significantly damaged with no aftercare to help them.

I recall last year a wreath of white poppies was laid at the war memorial in Bath alongside all the red wreaths. It was then removed no doubt by some red poppy fascist. The only reason I knew it was laid and removed was because a note explaining that was put up - explaining the need for tolerance and freedom, and the significance of the white poppy wreath.