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Films that give you the rage!

684 replies

crispysausagerolls · 06/11/2019 17:33

Inspired by the excellent thread on songs.

Mine is Titanic. Billy Zane is marrying Rose knowing he is used as a money mule to help the family - she then cheats on him, flaunts it, and he is somehow the bad guy. WTAF. If roles were reversed it was be horrendous. Just because Leo was hot doesn’t make it ok 😁

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EmmiJay · 07/11/2019 12:57

A whole thread and nobody mentioned the Twilight films, Harry Can't-Sodding-Act Potter films or Fifty Shades films???? (Sorry if anyone did actually mention them 🤣)

FenellaVelour · 07/11/2019 13:01

Sunshine, with Cillian Murphy. It's like looking for a plot in an ocean.

The first half isn’t so bad, but the second... wtf. Totally bizarre. However I have watched it very many times because Cillian Murphy is utterly beautiful in it...

I was going to say The Devil Wears Prada as well. Woman expected to apologise for prioritising her career.

And every single Christmas movie on Hallmark/Christmas 24. “High flying career woman finds out at Christmas what’s really important.”
Still watch them though Blush

I also cannot stand The Greatest Showman for the reasons everyone else has given, plus it’s full of two dimensional characters.

PenguinBollard · 07/11/2019 13:08

Weirdly I clicked on this thread having just rewatched (with utter horror) Four Weddings.
Henny was a bit of a bitch, but didn't deserve to be publically shamed at the altar of her own wedding. Awful.

I LOVE the Devil Wears Prada and 500 Days of Summer - mainly because I believe the films are as you take them - I feel that 500 Days of Summer is particularly misunderstood.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt (?) is not meant to be a good guy in that film, nor is Summer meant to be the bad guy.
The whole message of the film is how JGL is romanticising Zoey's character and not recognising her depth or individuality - its actually a commentary AGAINST Manic Pixie Dream Girl Tropes.

Devil Wears Prada shows some fantastic examples of women in high positions, though it could have been done better.

Now TWILIGHT makes me stabby.
Anything with Ben Stiller too.

ladybee28 · 07/11/2019 13:11

A Star Is Born.

I was FUMING.

Abusive relationship, zero consent, multiple situations where Ally's 'No' gets turned into a 'yes' by a sulky, manipulative man who sends stalkers to her house, strong arms her into sharing her songs when she doesn't want to by threatening to steal them, proposes to her as a way to reinstate his power over her when she makes it clear she's willing to leave him, and ties his addiction up in the 'unimaginable' situation where a woman has more fame than him.

And it's pitched as tragic romance.

Gross.

willloman · 07/11/2019 13:11

Sex and the City movies! I can only assume these women have a mental/emotional age somewhere in the single digits. 'A woman has pubic hair..How funny haha.' Pathetic. Hideous and sets the cause back decades...used to enjoy the first few of the series though.

Magicpaintbrush · 07/11/2019 13:14

Mama Mia - what a load of absolute irritating wank.

crispysausagerolls · 07/11/2019 13:21

Icantreachthepretzels

I meant when the film was set, yes. I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, I just don’t find it realistic, or endearing. Nothing you say makes me think her actions are excusable - except her age. But I always forget that she is 17 because kate winslet looks 30 and is woefully miscast. Perhaps she is my real problem!

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crispysausagerolls · 07/11/2019 13:22

Harry Potter is dreadful due to the acting of Daniel Radcliffe, but it’s loveable bad

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crispysausagerolls · 07/11/2019 13:24

JaneJeffer

Quite!

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kateluvscats · 07/11/2019 13:29

I second the Wickerman omg what a pile of trash

Icantreachthepretzels · 07/11/2019 13:35

Nothing you say makes me think her actions are excusable

You don;t think a woman being forced into an arranged marriage rebelling and running off with the man she loves is excusable? Holy shit!

Lillyhatesjaz · 07/11/2019 13:41

I had forgotten how bad the new ghost busters is, mainly because it was so bad my family had a vote after the first half hour and all voted to turn it off

CountFosco · 07/11/2019 13:44

Jean de Florette, the most relentlessly depressing film ever. And then they made a sequel.

crispysausagerolls · 07/11/2019 13:49

You don;t think a woman being forced into an arranged marriage rebelling and running off with the man she loves is excusable? Holy shit!

I think you are looking at it through modern day eyes. Literally everyone was forced into marriage then, it was the social norm and not an excuse. I think James Cameron has written a faux period drama - it’s set in the era but it’s not realistically written for the time. She also barely knows Jack - there’s probably a smattering of teenage rebellion in there too. The writing is all over the shop.

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Monkeynuts18 · 07/11/2019 13:51

*I hated American Beauty at the time. Hate it more now.

I watched it with a bf who thought it was great. I said Kevin Spacey character was a pathetic twat. He eye rolled because, you know, women.

He mentioned it to a male friend in front of me, who also said the film was amazing. They were both in their 40s by the way, I was in my late 20s. They both eye rolled and were all "she doesn't understand what men are really like....all men would behave like that...blah blah blah"*

They’re the ones that didn’t understand the film! Whether you think the film’s good or bad, the KS character is absolutely SUPPOSED to be a pathetic twat!

EoinMcLovesCakeJumper · 07/11/2019 14:02

I had a film buff boyfriend at the time American Beauty came out and I can remember feeling hugely uncomfortable throughout the whole thing because of how Lester's utterly stereotypical midlife crisis was put forward as being somehow admirable. I would argue that an awful lot of men watching that at the time would think, not that he was a pathetic twat, but that he'd got all the things men are meant to want - a flash car, more leisure time to spend on himself, an easygoing job with no responsibilities (having blackmailed a brilliant severance deal out of his old boss), damaging information to hold over his wife's head which he could then use to excuse all his subsequent shitty behaviour, a home gym and, best of all, a hot teenage girl who wanted to fuck him. I don't think there were a lot of men watching all that and thinking "What a loser". When I discussed it with my boyfriend afterwards, he seemed to think it was about an American Everyman throwing off the shackles of societal expectations and deciding to please himself instead. I think it is one of those films that men like and, when women try to disagree, they do that eyeroll thing and think that we are too intellectually stunted to appreciate it. See also most Tarantino films.

willywillywillywilly · 07/11/2019 14:03

@Popcorninapot I has reservations about Reacher (love the books and TC looks nothing like him) but it was great! Quite tongue-in-cheek in some parts and really entertaining as long as you put the "book Reacher" out of your mind before you watch it.
The second film is utter shite though.

bringincrazyback · 07/11/2019 14:06

You've Got Mail. Love means never having to say 'sorry I forced you out of business'. Confused

bringincrazyback · 07/11/2019 14:07

Oh, and War Horse. What a misery-fest.

FizzyIce · 07/11/2019 14:09

Any musical, I hate them .
Greatest showman could’ve been so good if it didn’t have the puke inducing songs

crispysausagerolls · 07/11/2019 14:10

I suppose that’s why Kevin Spacey had to die at the end!

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Icantreachthepretzels · 07/11/2019 14:13

I'm not looking at it through modern eyes - I'm looking at it through human eyes! The film does not try and pretend that Rose is not breaking the societal rules of the time - it is quite clear she is. Something is not OK just because it is 'normal' if it is abusive. Like I said in my first post, if we didn't have the people who were brave enough to rebel against societal norms then those norms would never have changed. No vote for women, no end to slavery, no end to child labour, no recognition of conjugal rape.

It is the people of the past looking at their own societal norms and saying 'no' that leads to progress.

Not that I'm wanting to give credit to Titanic, which is a pretty silly love story in a pretty silly film, for being some great champion of progress and that Rose is some kind of Rosa Parks ... of course not. But nevertheless Cal is objectively unpleasant and abusive (no matter how normal that would be) and Rose is so depressed by the the thought of her life with him she is driven to suicide. And anyone who looks at this story and sides with Cal is ... either wilfully misunderstanding or just doesn't like women very much.

Literally everyone was forced into marriage then, it was the social norm and not an excuse.

Ah ... so because it was normal for women to be sold into marriage - any woman who just didn't meekly accept her lot is therefore in the wrong? And even 100 years later we should criticise her actions, because she broke society's rules, rules we now recognise as being unfair. Because, at the time, other people thought it was OK to treat her this way.
Yes - women were married to men they didn't love who treated them cruelly, the same was probably true for her mother. But you seem to think that an unfair societal norm is a reason Rose should shut up and embrace her own unhappiness?
Is this what you would say to a woman being forced into an arranged marriage today, if she came from a culture where such a thing was still the norm? It happens to other women too?

The 'realism' of the film, the period detail any of that is neither here nor there - if you are trying to claim that a woman is in the wrong for rebelling against her arranged marriage then you are saying women are wrong for rebelling against arranged marriages. The dressing it is given is immaterial.

Criticising characters set in period dramas as being unrealistically modern is fine. But that isn't the criticism you had - that Rose was too modern. Your criticism was that she was 'cheating' on the man who had bought her as a teen bride and being careless with the financial burden of the woman who sold her.
And you can't hide behind 'that was the way it was at the time'. Yes it was. Yes they depict that. But your criticism should still be for Cal and Ruth's behaviour - not for Rose's - as you are not watching it in 1912- nor was it a film made for a 1912 audience.

Was Rose too modern - fair question. Was she the one in the wrong? No she fucking wasn't.

ScoobyCan · 07/11/2019 14:31

@fartingrainbows

Home alone I can live with, just about. But the sequels. If you had left your child home alone once, on the next family trip would you not HOLD HIS FUCKING HAND AND NOT LET GO???? My ds is mad about these films so I've had a bit of time to think about it.

I've had such a bad couple of days (weeks, years...) and this has literally made me laugh out loud, proper belly laugh. Thank you!

Candlebarbara · 07/11/2019 14:37

The Favourite was dreadful. Terrible music, lots of weird editing and Olivia Colman gives me the rage. Her acting consists of side eye glances, and whispering quickly . I don’t know why she is so popular.

The Harry Potter films are awful. No acting skills at all between the kids, I managed about 10 minutes of a couple of them.

JaneJeffer · 07/11/2019 14:42

FizzyIce Grin that reminded me of the story on QI where a cinema in S. Korea cut all the songs from The Sound of Music to shorten it up Grin

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