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AIBU?

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To think my brother needs to grow up!

101 replies

Pumpkinspicewhatever · 06/11/2019 14:15

NC for this.

I have a younger brother, in his mid 20s. We live in the same city- I’m in 30s, working, married with a primary school age dd. Dh and I are saving for our first home and so have made do in the 1 bed flat we have been renting since dd was a baby, we will have saved a deposit by next year but it’s been very tough in the small space!

So my db- relatively privileged background- private schooled, went to a Russell group uni, moved in with his very nice (now ex) girlfriend a couple of years ago and got a job in his chosen, very competitive (creative) field. Nevertheless he’s always been a bit entitled and selfish, which I unfortunately know more about than I probably should because during their 4 year relationship me and his gf became close. 1 year into the 2 year lease on their flat he broke up with her abruptly, left the flat and refused to speak to her again. He had decided she was holding back his ambitions in the music industry (he is a keen poet and singer, I always thought it was sort of a hobby but turns out he was feeling stifled in his job and so broke up with his gf and handed in his notice at work. I know all this because he contacted me the night he left wanting to stay with us. As it turns out we were away the following week so I said sure, use the flat for a week while you figure something out. This was back in April.

It’s now November and my brother decided that in order to focus on his music ambitions he was going to sofa surf, only work part time in temp/cash in hand jobs, with some travelling in between. He has been able to manage to feed himself and fund musical endeavours including a video, photo shoots and recording time, because he refuses to pay rent anywhere. He “needs” to be in our city thoguh so He has been sofa surfing with friends, staying with our parents when desperate (although they don’t live in the city), and asking that we let him “crash” probably once or twice a month for 3-4 days at a time. If I describe our flat: it is a small 1 bed. Dd has the one bedroom, dh and I have converted half the living room into a bedroom space and we have a sofa but it’s behind a bookcase from our bed. What I’m saying is it’s hardly suitable for the 3 of us let alone guests of any kind. When he stays, if dh is not away with work dd has to sleep in with us and my brother gets her bedroom. It means we all sleep badly and dh, dd and i are up and out by 8am for school and work every morning. However we have never said no to my brother. I get that our city is too expensive for him to afford somewhere on very part time ad hoc salary, and I’d never see him out on the street.

I guess this has come to a head for me because he’s just asked if he can “crash” for 2 nights before he jets off on a 2 week holiday to New York, he doesn’t want to pay for a hotel as “wants to save all the money he can”. He can afford a holiday to New York (somewhere I’d love to go especially this time of year!!), and to do his music, but he doesn’t want to pay for anything he sees as boring (such as a roof before he goes on an expensive long haul holiday.) Meanwhile dh and I are crammed in a tiny flat trying to save while working full time demanding jobs. And this does sound bloody minded but it’s how I feel: I’m creative too, I’d bloody love to pack it in and ignore the bills etc while I have a stab at what I love doing, but I can’t. Neither can any of the other people who have been housing my brother over the past 7 months- every single one of us works hard, pays rent and bills in this city.

Honestly I feel so frustrated with him. If he wants to do the starving artist thing fine, but the fact is he wants to continue to live in the city, and have all his spare cash and earnings to do something he enjoys (music and holidays). And isn’t self aware enough to see how annoying it is for him to want to crash at mine, at some inconevenice to us, before he goes on a holiday we couldn’t afford.

I am sure eventually his mates will get sick of him and he will need a reality check but whenever I have tried to speak to him about his plans he says he refuses to go back to work full time, and more annoyingly he spouts stuff about how other people are too tied into the “corporate machine” . He has even been lecturing one of his best friends about being a “sell out” because he has a stable job and rents a flat with his girlfriend, and making snide remarks about people who haven’t followed their creative dreams.
I feel like turning round and jsut saying if you can afford a holiday to New York right now I’m sure you can manage!! But I jsut feel like a right dick. Underneath it I do love him, I want him to be happy and I get that maybe he’s having a tough time but it’s so frustrating when I feel like he’s jsut using me (and others) so he can do exactly what he likes.

Aibu??

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DartmoorDoughnut · 06/11/2019 14:20

Yanbu people like this annoy the fuck out of me, I’d love to afford to go to New York for a long weekend never mind two weeks but you know BILLS.

He won’t change though. Although going forward I would never turn your daughter out of her room again.

TrollTheRespawnJeremy · 06/11/2019 14:22

No is a solid answer.

NearlyGranny · 06/11/2019 14:26

No! Sponging off hardworking family and friends while deriding them for their choices? I think not.

SarahAndQuack · 06/11/2019 14:35

I think you're absolutely justified in saying no.

However, reading your post, I also think you sound a bit resentful and wonder if you're hoping for something that isn't going to happen?

FWIW my younger brother sounds a bit like yours - a nice background, nice girlfriend, lots of opportunities, and he's been lucky enough to be able to give up his relatively well-paid job in order to start again at something he loves doing, which has meant a fair bit of 'needing to save money' and 'needing a favour from mum and dad' kind of stuff. By contrast, like you, I'm in my 30s with a child and a less good financial position, and it is easy to give in to a bit of resentment on occasion.

I'd really urge you not to let that colour how you talk to him about 'growing up'. The bottom line is, unfortunately, that some people are luckier than others, and there isn't actually anything not 'grown up' in him wanting to pursue a dream. There isn't even anything not 'grown up' in asking to stay with family, IMO - even if he ought to realise it's putting pressure on you.

Long winded so excuse me. But I'd just say no, it's too difficult, and keep quiet about how you may feel about his new career aspirations.

Aquamarine1029 · 06/11/2019 14:38

Stop being a doormat and say NO, you staying here doesn't work for us anymore, so don't ask again. FGS, stop enabling this selfish twat.

Drivemecrazy1974 · 06/11/2019 14:41

Sod that for a game of marbles. He has chosen to live this kind of lifestyle, but you, and the others who are allowing him to crash at their places, are enabling him to carry on with it!
Tell him that you can't have him staying any more because you don't have the room. Why should your daughter be turfed out of her bed just so he can sleep in it? No way would I allow that to keep on happening.

Also, I think it might be time for you to give him some home truths and tell him that the way he is treating people is downright rude.
I've had to put my foot down with family and tell them that we will no longer be a taxi for certain relatives who don't drive, go online to say cars should be banned, but then require a lift every bloody time we visit relatives. It's quite liberating actually once you get your point across.

Nip this in the bud now before you end up feeling even more annoyed. I can't imagine your husband is too pleased about it, either!

HugoSpritz · 06/11/2019 14:44

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GettingABitDesperateNow · 06/11/2019 14:46

He sounds like a dick, lecturing his friends and family while living off their generosity while their choice of lifestyle enables them to help him!

Saying that, his lifestyle and what he chooses to spend his money on, isn't your business, so while I can see the NY thing is annoying, I dont think you can bring it up (as you already know the sofa surfing is a lifestyle choice rather than a not being able to afford anything situation)

The fact is you dont have the space for him to stay.

I would let him stay this time, but have a chat with him while he is there, to say now your child is older its becoming too much when he stays over, he is welcome to visit any time but 3 adults and one x year old who has started to need her own space, in a small one bed flat, just isn't practical.

Leeds2 · 06/11/2019 14:48

I would say no to him staying with you.and point him in the direction of a cheap B&B.
If you really can't say no, tell him that he will be sleeping on the floor as you will no longer be turfing your DD out of her bedroom.
I would try and get this sorted now, because I presume that the house you will buy will be bigger/have a spare bedroom which your brother may have his eye on.

Petrichor11 · 06/11/2019 14:50

Stop enabling him! Why on earth are you letting him disrupt your lives just because he’s being a dick? This isn’t someone who has unfortunately fallen on bad times and needs help, this is someone who is consciously choosing to sponge off everyone else. So stop bloody playing along with it!

notforonesecond · 06/11/2019 14:57

Just say he can’t stay. Being your brother doesn’t give him the right to make your life more difficult. Honestly, you’re being a total doormat for no reason at all.

Velveteenfruitbowl · 06/11/2019 15:01

YABVU for waist of mental energy on this. Just tell him he can’t stay because you don’t have room and forget about it,

Pumpkinspicewhatever · 06/11/2019 15:03

The thing is a lot of times if I haven’t said yes I actually think he will have nowhere to go. Yes that might be his fault but I’m hardly going to put him on the streets.

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mankyfourthtoe · 06/11/2019 15:04

It's up to him whether he 'works' or not. But reasons aside he's going on holiday that you can't afford and wants to turf your dd out of her room so the three of you share a bed whilst he has a free bed to himself!
Nope!!
Db, just to let you know, so you can make alternate arrangements it's no longer appropriate for you to stay at ours, as dd has gotten bigger and sharing is no longer an option for us.

Disfordarkchocolate · 06/11/2019 15:05

Blooming heck he's cheeky. There is not enough room in your flat for any guests to stay. Tell him it's too tiring and stressful and you won't put him up anymore. If he sulks at least it won't be at your flat.

Touchofclass · 06/11/2019 15:05

I would maybe use this trip as the last time . Tell him your Daughter is getting older now and needs her own bed and he needs to stand on his own 2 feet. Stop enabling him . If you don't put your foot down now as a PP says your new house will bring even bigger problems , more often.

mankyfourthtoe · 06/11/2019 15:05

But he wouldn't be on the streets. He could pay someone, he chooses not to do that. You can choose to not let him massively inconvenience you all, when you work the next day to pay for your flat.

Thebookswereherfriends · 06/11/2019 15:09

The thing is you wouldn’t be putting him on the streets - he is doing it to himself by refusing to be a grownup. He needs to get a job and a room in a house as the cheapest option and pursue his “creative” side when he can. Why would you disrupt your life so drastically for someone who clearly doesn’t care that much for others? Make this stop with you the last one - tell him categorically that you can no longer put him up.

mbosnz · 06/11/2019 15:10

You're not putting him on the streets, he is. He is very capable of making money to put a roof over his head if others decline to continue to do so.

Drivemecrazy1974 · 06/11/2019 15:12

Oh come on! Help yourself here and educate your brother at the same time! He is only being able to live this lifestyle because everybody keeps pandering to his wants! Seriously, he's the one who's chucked in a perfectly good job to follow his dream! He's mooching off others and enjoying it!
He needs to be told that he is acting terribly and he does need to grow up!
He's using you and you're letting him!

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 06/11/2019 15:13

He's a twat. Yes he needs to grow up and his ex will have realised by now that him leaving her was the best thing he could have done.

PrettyPurse · 06/11/2019 15:18

I would not be turfing my child out of their bed for someone like your DB.

He'll only get his life sorted when you stop enabling him.

So you have a choice.... either say no to him staying...... or yes, but then not moaning about it.

Neither is right but make a decision and own it

Sweetaholic · 06/11/2019 15:19

Just say no. He will want a room in your new house but you will have to stay strong and say no to that as well

notforonesecond · 06/11/2019 15:21

Oh give over. If he can afford to go to New York he can afford a bed for the night.

Troels · 06/11/2019 15:31

he spouts stuff about how other people are too tied into the “corporate machine” . He has even been lecturing one of his best friends about being a “sell out” because he has a stable job and rents a flat with his girlfriend, and making snide remarks about people who haven’t followed their creative dreams.

If it wasn't for the people tied to the corporate machine he'd have no couches to surf. Tell him No. It's time he grew up and took care of his own bills/accomodation/you name it.