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AIBU?

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To think my brother needs to grow up!

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Pumpkinspicewhatever · 06/11/2019 14:15

NC for this.

I have a younger brother, in his mid 20s. We live in the same city- I’m in 30s, working, married with a primary school age dd. Dh and I are saving for our first home and so have made do in the 1 bed flat we have been renting since dd was a baby, we will have saved a deposit by next year but it’s been very tough in the small space!

So my db- relatively privileged background- private schooled, went to a Russell group uni, moved in with his very nice (now ex) girlfriend a couple of years ago and got a job in his chosen, very competitive (creative) field. Nevertheless he’s always been a bit entitled and selfish, which I unfortunately know more about than I probably should because during their 4 year relationship me and his gf became close. 1 year into the 2 year lease on their flat he broke up with her abruptly, left the flat and refused to speak to her again. He had decided she was holding back his ambitions in the music industry (he is a keen poet and singer, I always thought it was sort of a hobby but turns out he was feeling stifled in his job and so broke up with his gf and handed in his notice at work. I know all this because he contacted me the night he left wanting to stay with us. As it turns out we were away the following week so I said sure, use the flat for a week while you figure something out. This was back in April.

It’s now November and my brother decided that in order to focus on his music ambitions he was going to sofa surf, only work part time in temp/cash in hand jobs, with some travelling in between. He has been able to manage to feed himself and fund musical endeavours including a video, photo shoots and recording time, because he refuses to pay rent anywhere. He “needs” to be in our city thoguh so He has been sofa surfing with friends, staying with our parents when desperate (although they don’t live in the city), and asking that we let him “crash” probably once or twice a month for 3-4 days at a time. If I describe our flat: it is a small 1 bed. Dd has the one bedroom, dh and I have converted half the living room into a bedroom space and we have a sofa but it’s behind a bookcase from our bed. What I’m saying is it’s hardly suitable for the 3 of us let alone guests of any kind. When he stays, if dh is not away with work dd has to sleep in with us and my brother gets her bedroom. It means we all sleep badly and dh, dd and i are up and out by 8am for school and work every morning. However we have never said no to my brother. I get that our city is too expensive for him to afford somewhere on very part time ad hoc salary, and I’d never see him out on the street.

I guess this has come to a head for me because he’s just asked if he can “crash” for 2 nights before he jets off on a 2 week holiday to New York, he doesn’t want to pay for a hotel as “wants to save all the money he can”. He can afford a holiday to New York (somewhere I’d love to go especially this time of year!!), and to do his music, but he doesn’t want to pay for anything he sees as boring (such as a roof before he goes on an expensive long haul holiday.) Meanwhile dh and I are crammed in a tiny flat trying to save while working full time demanding jobs. And this does sound bloody minded but it’s how I feel: I’m creative too, I’d bloody love to pack it in and ignore the bills etc while I have a stab at what I love doing, but I can’t. Neither can any of the other people who have been housing my brother over the past 7 months- every single one of us works hard, pays rent and bills in this city.

Honestly I feel so frustrated with him. If he wants to do the starving artist thing fine, but the fact is he wants to continue to live in the city, and have all his spare cash and earnings to do something he enjoys (music and holidays). And isn’t self aware enough to see how annoying it is for him to want to crash at mine, at some inconevenice to us, before he goes on a holiday we couldn’t afford.

I am sure eventually his mates will get sick of him and he will need a reality check but whenever I have tried to speak to him about his plans he says he refuses to go back to work full time, and more annoyingly he spouts stuff about how other people are too tied into the “corporate machine” . He has even been lecturing one of his best friends about being a “sell out” because he has a stable job and rents a flat with his girlfriend, and making snide remarks about people who haven’t followed their creative dreams.
I feel like turning round and jsut saying if you can afford a holiday to New York right now I’m sure you can manage!! But I jsut feel like a right dick. Underneath it I do love him, I want him to be happy and I get that maybe he’s having a tough time but it’s so frustrating when I feel like he’s jsut using me (and others) so he can do exactly what he likes.

Aibu??

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WestSideSnorey · 06/11/2019 15:46

I think you are unreasonable to say that he needs to grow up, he's only in his 20s and he should be encouraged at that age to follow his dreams. You're a long time working and if it's not in something you are really keen on it can get tiresome very quickly.

But as for helping his couch surfing lifestyle, you aren't in your 20s, you have a family and a life and honestly, it's just not your problem. He has chosen to follow his dream which in a way I find admirable but it's his dream, not yours. Just tell him that you aren't able to support him in that respect any more but are there for him in all the other ways a sister would be.

Witchinaditch · 06/11/2019 15:49

If you had the space I’d would have said YABU but you don’t have the space and he’s being very selfish by imposing on you when he knows you love him and would try and help. He shouldn’t be putting you in this position. Maybe he should move back home and commute you your city.

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 06/11/2019 15:53

YANBU, it's amazing how often "I'm following my dream" really means "I want other people to provide for me, so I don't have to bother".

SarahAndQuack · 06/11/2019 15:54

He won't end up on the streets. At the very least he'll realise he can't afford to live in the city and will probably land on your poor parents.

You could always be slightly evil and, next time he starts his 'corporate evil' rant, say thoughtfully how you're considering packing it all in to live in a yurt and home-school your children.

LaurieSchafferIsAllBitterNow · 06/11/2019 16:01

let hope he doesn't use up all his clean pants sleeping on the streets before his jaunt to NY

c'mon OP...."nowhere to go" is hyperbole. Catch yourself on and realise he is absolutely taking you for a fool

How much is 2 weeks in NY going to cost him?? He can fork over money for a Premier inn at Heathrow to keep himself out of the gutter.

dayslikethese1 · 06/11/2019 16:37

People like this annoy me so much, judging others and mooching off them. They're always privileged (and usually ime deluded about their 'talent'). Just say you don't have room; if he can afford to go to NY, i'm sure he can afford a bed for the night.

Howyiz · 06/11/2019 16:37

How are you putting him on the streets? If he can afford to go to NY for a holiday he can afford to rent a room.
Stop being such a gobshite!

FooFighter99 · 06/11/2019 16:39

You do realise, that if you don't put a stop to his cheeky fuckery now, that when you eventually own a bigger house, he'll be occupying your spare room (for free) as often as he wants....

I'm all for being creative and following dreams and all that jazz but FFS OP!!!! everyone else manages to earn a living at the same time so they can support themselves.

Do you reckon, once he's made it big yeah right that he'll use his fame and fortune to make your life easier....? Maybe pay your mortgage off for you Hmm

Aquamarine1029 · 06/11/2019 16:40

The thing is a lot of times if I haven’t said yes I actually think he will have nowhere to go. Yes that might be his fault but I’m hardly going to put him on the streets.

Good grief, op! He's a GROWN MAN, and he clearly has funds. I assure you, your entitled brother can figure out a place to stay. Stop treating him like a daft child.

Aquamarine1029 · 06/11/2019 16:42

Also, I think it's simply awful that you are putting your brother before your own husband and child. What about their comfort in their own home?

Batqueen · 06/11/2019 16:43

He can stay in a hostel if he doesn’t want to pay for a hotel. Plenty of backpackers manage it ok

Batqueen · 06/11/2019 16:46

You can get a hostel in London for less than 15 pound a night

1forAll74 · 06/11/2019 16:47

It maybe likely,that your Brother has the money to go to New York soon,and then he will spend it all over there,and then come back broke,and need to stay at your little flat again.

But maybe he will break into the music business in New York,and not come home for a while.!

TheMacallan · 06/11/2019 16:49

We have the same brother!

I don't indulge his "noble" cause and starving artist act though so it doesn't really impact me. I don't care if his mates are stupid enough to let him crash rent free. Tell Peter Pan to grow up and say no you aren't kicking your child out of their space so he can have a swanky holiday.

I know you want him to be happy (as I do for my own brother) but he sounds like a smug prick so I expect he is already pretty happy with himself without you needing to bend over backwards to help him.

fedup21 · 06/11/2019 16:52

I would have no qualms about saying no. I’d say I need to sleep properly to do my corporate job that funds my corporate lifestyle and I can’t do that with DD sleeping in with me. He needs to grow up and stop being such a drain on others.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 06/11/2019 16:54

Just say sorry our flat is too small and it's not fair on DD. Job done.
He needs to learn not everyone in life will say yes to him

EleanorShellstrop100 · 06/11/2019 16:57

Sounds like he’s having a fab time and good on him! Not everyone has to conform and live the same way and if you don’t like him staying you’re welcome to say no. He’s not doing anything wrong for living how he is And you’re not doing anything wrong by wanting to say no, so just explain that he can’t stay from now and leave it at that.

FizzyGreenWater · 06/11/2019 17:08

He's having a fab time because he parasites off everyone else who's having a less fab time because they work to pay for the flats he crashes in.

I'd find it really hard to maintain respect for someone like this. Does he honestly have such little self-awareness that he pontificates to the people he bums off about how humdrum and corporate they are? If he's at all intelligent, how can he not see how much of a twat he must look?!

And being a user is rarely a good look.

I'd tell him - Sorry, no not this time. I've got a really important week at work and we all sleep so badly when you take DD's bed - I just can't face it this week, sorry. Hmm, how much of your fun money will an Airbnb take?

Oh and he'll never be on the streets. Bare faced users like this always, always fall on their feet. Also, do be aware that when you need something from him, he's very likely to be nowhere to be seen - be prepared one day to feel very, very taken for a ride. Bitter experience speaking here!

Coughsyrupsucks · 06/11/2019 17:08

Please for your own sanity say no, if he can afford New York he can afford an Air BnB.

My BIL is exactly the same but 32 now, has been living off his parents who are in their mid 70s. He has recently decided he needs to get a ‘proper job’ now, no sign of one though. And wants to leave home (elderly parents cramping his style), but can’t possibility live in a flat share because he can only ‘live with family’. Guess who thinks he’s coming to live with us.....guess who isn’t.

ReanimatedSGB · 06/11/2019 17:13

If you live in a city, there will be backpacker hostels. They are really cheap and (on the whole) comfy enough. I have one friend who has taken to this sort of 'digital nomad' lifestyle, and AFAIK she manages by mixing house-sitting/pet-sitting jobs with spells in hostels and Air B&Bs.
So it's possible to live this way without actually sponging off all your friends and family members.

cacklingmags · 06/11/2019 17:17

Sit him down and tell him that much as you love him, when he stays it is ruining the family's sleep and so sadly you can't host him any more. Do this when he is not begging a bed so you don't feel bad that you are chucking him onto the street.

Pumpkinspicewhatever · 06/11/2019 17:17

This is the thing there are hostels. He knows that. So him saying he can’t afford a hotel is moot. Tbh the way rents are in our city he could live every month in the hostel still for cheaper than a flat share anywhere near the centre. This is the thing. Yes I respect him for having a dream, yes he is only young. But he is being really jammy and un self aware.

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Manicpixiedreambitch · 06/11/2019 17:21

Don’t let him stay.

GCAcademic · 06/11/2019 17:24

more annoyingly he spouts stuff about how other people are too tied into the “corporate machine

This would really piss me off. Ask him why he’s happy to sleep in the houses of people who are tied to the corporate machine? Where are his principles when he’s accepting hospitality at their expense?

holrosea · 06/11/2019 17:30

You don't need to say anything to him about his lifestyle, just that no:

  • you don't have the space,
  • it is disruptive to everyone when he stays,
  • your daughter's room is not actually a spare room,
  • he may criticise but it is actually the "sold out" lifestyle that he is feeding off of.

Also, you don't need to feel guilty for saying no: he is a mid 20s adult who is responsible for his own accomodation. There is no MH issue, he is not vulnerable, you are not "turfing him out". Time he took responsibility.