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To think my brother needs to grow up!

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Pumpkinspicewhatever · 06/11/2019 14:15

NC for this.

I have a younger brother, in his mid 20s. We live in the same city- I’m in 30s, working, married with a primary school age dd. Dh and I are saving for our first home and so have made do in the 1 bed flat we have been renting since dd was a baby, we will have saved a deposit by next year but it’s been very tough in the small space!

So my db- relatively privileged background- private schooled, went to a Russell group uni, moved in with his very nice (now ex) girlfriend a couple of years ago and got a job in his chosen, very competitive (creative) field. Nevertheless he’s always been a bit entitled and selfish, which I unfortunately know more about than I probably should because during their 4 year relationship me and his gf became close. 1 year into the 2 year lease on their flat he broke up with her abruptly, left the flat and refused to speak to her again. He had decided she was holding back his ambitions in the music industry (he is a keen poet and singer, I always thought it was sort of a hobby but turns out he was feeling stifled in his job and so broke up with his gf and handed in his notice at work. I know all this because he contacted me the night he left wanting to stay with us. As it turns out we were away the following week so I said sure, use the flat for a week while you figure something out. This was back in April.

It’s now November and my brother decided that in order to focus on his music ambitions he was going to sofa surf, only work part time in temp/cash in hand jobs, with some travelling in between. He has been able to manage to feed himself and fund musical endeavours including a video, photo shoots and recording time, because he refuses to pay rent anywhere. He “needs” to be in our city thoguh so He has been sofa surfing with friends, staying with our parents when desperate (although they don’t live in the city), and asking that we let him “crash” probably once or twice a month for 3-4 days at a time. If I describe our flat: it is a small 1 bed. Dd has the one bedroom, dh and I have converted half the living room into a bedroom space and we have a sofa but it’s behind a bookcase from our bed. What I’m saying is it’s hardly suitable for the 3 of us let alone guests of any kind. When he stays, if dh is not away with work dd has to sleep in with us and my brother gets her bedroom. It means we all sleep badly and dh, dd and i are up and out by 8am for school and work every morning. However we have never said no to my brother. I get that our city is too expensive for him to afford somewhere on very part time ad hoc salary, and I’d never see him out on the street.

I guess this has come to a head for me because he’s just asked if he can “crash” for 2 nights before he jets off on a 2 week holiday to New York, he doesn’t want to pay for a hotel as “wants to save all the money he can”. He can afford a holiday to New York (somewhere I’d love to go especially this time of year!!), and to do his music, but he doesn’t want to pay for anything he sees as boring (such as a roof before he goes on an expensive long haul holiday.) Meanwhile dh and I are crammed in a tiny flat trying to save while working full time demanding jobs. And this does sound bloody minded but it’s how I feel: I’m creative too, I’d bloody love to pack it in and ignore the bills etc while I have a stab at what I love doing, but I can’t. Neither can any of the other people who have been housing my brother over the past 7 months- every single one of us works hard, pays rent and bills in this city.

Honestly I feel so frustrated with him. If he wants to do the starving artist thing fine, but the fact is he wants to continue to live in the city, and have all his spare cash and earnings to do something he enjoys (music and holidays). And isn’t self aware enough to see how annoying it is for him to want to crash at mine, at some inconevenice to us, before he goes on a holiday we couldn’t afford.

I am sure eventually his mates will get sick of him and he will need a reality check but whenever I have tried to speak to him about his plans he says he refuses to go back to work full time, and more annoyingly he spouts stuff about how other people are too tied into the “corporate machine” . He has even been lecturing one of his best friends about being a “sell out” because he has a stable job and rents a flat with his girlfriend, and making snide remarks about people who haven’t followed their creative dreams.
I feel like turning round and jsut saying if you can afford a holiday to New York right now I’m sure you can manage!! But I jsut feel like a right dick. Underneath it I do love him, I want him to be happy and I get that maybe he’s having a tough time but it’s so frustrating when I feel like he’s jsut using me (and others) so he can do exactly what he likes.

Aibu??

OP posts:
Elle7rose · 06/11/2019 18:52

Just text something along the lines of 'No sorry bruv, I love you lots but we have an already overcrowded 1 bedroom flat for 3 people'.

Lifeisabeach09 · 06/11/2019 19:02

YANBU is terms of getting frustrated with having to put him up and letting him freeload. Stop.
However, YABU in that he doesn't have commitments so he is doesn't have to knuckle down with a flat, full-time job and girlfriend.
He is young, free and single--he is doing the right thing in finding himself and chasing his dream. In a few years, things will likely change again and he'll 'grow up.' For now, good on him!

honeylulu · 06/11/2019 19:06

FGS just say no! What are you afraid of? Who is more important, your adult brother or your infant daughter? I'm amazed your husband is tolerating this.

Of course he won't be on the streets. He can spend some of the cash he's been squirreling away while he ponces off other folk.

My teenage son is going through a free spirit/ socialist phase and often berates us (parents with City jobs) for corporate greed/ evil capitalism. He gets given pretty short shrift and reminded that our evil capitalist wages fund his pocket money, phone contact, the wifi, hot water, nice food and drink all of which he happily enjoys!

Cornishclio · 06/11/2019 19:13

For goodness sake your flat sounds tiny. Tell him there is no room and he has to pay for accommodation like everyone else unless he can find another mug.

MitziK · 06/11/2019 19:33

Is he going to New York in an attempt to 'break' over there in the fortnight?

If so, he's probably going to be back on your doorstep the following morning - he won't have a visa for working there and a single plectrum, never mind a guitar/etc on a bloke who has no job, a significant internet presence as a musician and no obvious ties to the UK will get shoved onto the next flight back. Especially if he says he's going to play a few gigs.

Chances are though, if he's halfway decent as a musician and isn't too hard on the eyes, that he'll find himself another accommodating girlfriend to live off soon enough.

TheSeaWitch · 06/11/2019 20:02

He's not 'only young', he's in his mid twenties which makes him an adult. Stop making excuses for him. Tell him no. It's not fair on your daughter to be turfed out of HER bedroom because he's being a selfish twat and not taking any responsibility for himself. We'd all like to pack the day jobs in and swan off on holidays living our dreams, but we can't. And he shouldn't be doing at the expense of other people. If he's got spending money for two weeks in New York, then he's got money to pay for an airbnb or a hostel for two nights. You asked everyone's opinion, and everyone is saying to stop enabling him, because that's exactly what you're doing.

MadeForThis · 06/11/2019 20:43

You wouldn't be putting him out on the streets, if he couldn't find someone to put him up her would pay for a hotel/hostel.

He has the money for flights/accommodation/spending money for New York. He's choosing to save his money for holidays and music instead of paying any bills.

If you are happy to support this then let him stay. If not let him pay for his own hotel room. He won't sleep on the streets. He'll just have to spend some of his money on practical things like rent.

Di11y · 06/11/2019 20:48

if he's saved enough for new York he can pay for a hotel room. or actually y'know find somewhere to rent.

can't believe you've been putting up with him that long, and putting yourselves out to boot!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/11/2019 20:54

New Yorker here ... He has about as much chance of "breaking into the music business" here as a tourist for two weeks as he does of being hit by a meteor while walking down 5th Avenue

Love it Grin

Let's not be mean, though; no doubt he'll pop into the Blue Note or the Iridium, chat for 30 seconds to someone on the bar and come back insisting that was an "introduction" ...

Motoko · 06/11/2019 21:10

So that means sleeping bag in the kitchen I guess.

Which is exactly what our friend did, when he split up from his girlfriend, and DH , me, and my son, lived in a 1 bedroom flat. Son had the bedroom, me and DH had the sofabed in the living room, and friend had the kitchen floor.

He was grateful though, and it was only for a few days, as a one off.

Beautiful3 · 06/11/2019 21:25

I would say no. It's his decision not to have a place to live nor work. You shouldn't allow him to disrupt your childrens sleep. They come first. You ought to say no from jow on because you're not sleeping well when he is there. He can afford a holiday to New York then he can afford a room somewhere surely?!!!

CalleighDoodle · 06/11/2019 21:35

This is ridiculous. Put your child and husband first.

Chloe84 · 07/11/2019 12:23

So tired of these people who post and run.

jay55 · 07/11/2019 14:58

Tell him yes, but you'll need 200 a night contribution in advance.

Jog22 · 07/11/2019 16:25

No. Just say no. He is an entitled leech and does not respect you and your family. You do not owe him anything.

Schoolchoicesucks · 07/11/2019 18:07

Would he really be on the streets if you didn't let him crash? I don't understand how he can afford to pay for flights to (and accommodation and spending money for) New York yet couldn't pay for a cheap hotel/airbnb/shared room in backpacker hostel in your city for a couple of nights.

I think you have to let him know how much it inconveniences you to put him up. And you should work on accepting that he is an adult making his own choices and he is the one responsible for their consequences. He is relying on your sense of loyalty to him. Say no one time and see what happens. He must have a credit or debit card to have booked his trip. I would expect him to use that to pay for accommodation rather than be on the streets -if he can't find someone else to put him up-.

PrettyPurse · 09/11/2019 08:08

@Pumpkinspicewhatever - what decision did you come to?

P1gs1nBlankets · 09/11/2019 09:01

When he returns, perhaps he can look after your child for a night, so that you can both have a date night ?

Keep your current sleeping plans, he should sleep on the floor or a blow up bed

Does he provide anything in return, cook you a meal, clean the flat ?

I enjoy hearing about other people's travels

He has made a lifestyle choice, he probably won't change

I know a couple of people who live similar lifestyles

P1gs1nBlankets · 09/11/2019 09:07

Secondly, ask him why he is only going to New York for 2 weeks ?

If he has no commitments, why isn't he staying longer

helpmum2003 · 09/11/2019 09:10

Just say no. There's not enough room fact. You don't need to comment on his lifestyle choices, but I agree with you.....

Fr0zenFl0werz · 09/11/2019 09:42

He might think it's cool in his 20s

He may have to generate more income to fund his travels in his 30, 40s

People do, there are ways

MinisterforCheekyFuckery · 09/11/2019 09:55

Sounds like he’s having a fab time and good on him! Not everyone has to conform and live the same way and if you don’t like him staying you’re welcome to say no. He’s not doing anything wrong for living how he is And you’re not doing anything wrong by wanting to say no, so just explain that he can’t stay from now and leave it at that.

Not everyone has to "conform", but if his friends and family didn't "conform" to societal expectations by working for a living to pay their rent/mortgages then OP's brother wouldn't be able to live his current lifestyle. There would be no sofas for him to surf, nowhere for him to "crash" for free. Yes, he's having a "fab time", but he's having it at the expense and inconvenience of others and then sneering at them for being "sell outs" and slaves to the "corporate machine", with no acknowledgement that by mooching off them he is a beneficiary of that same "machine". He's happy to take from the system he claims to despise, he's just not happy to contribute to it and looks down on those that do even as they're putting a roof over his head. That's what he's doing wrong.

Of course not everyone has to live the same way but gratitude should be universal.

MissConductUS · 09/11/2019 16:11

he's having it at the expense and inconvenience of others and then sneering at them for being "sell outs" and slaves to the "corporate machine", with no acknowledgement that by mooching off them he is a beneficiary of that same "machine"

Exactly right about the massively entitled attitude here. I can't imagine tolerating the rudeness of having the young freeloader belittle his hosts that way.

Stories like these make me glad my 19 yo DS has his heart set on becoming a chartered accountant. Grin

wineisnecessary · 09/11/2019 16:31

Nah sofa surfing is a temporary thing but it sounds like this is how he wants to live now . He's a cf to be able to afford a holiday to New York but will quite happily put you out in your tiny flat for a couple of days . Your right others will get fed up eventually too.
It annoys me every month the majority of my salary goes on mortgage, car , loan home improvement, bills , food but tbh that's life . I'd love a holiday to New York perhaps if I sofa surfed for 7 months I could afford it .Grin

Corna · 09/11/2019 18:06

"Selling out and being a corporate whore is what gives you a place to crash, dear brother. Suck it up, or find somewhere else to sleep while you plan your next adventure"