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To think my brother needs to grow up!

101 replies

Pumpkinspicewhatever · 06/11/2019 14:15

NC for this.

I have a younger brother, in his mid 20s. We live in the same city- I’m in 30s, working, married with a primary school age dd. Dh and I are saving for our first home and so have made do in the 1 bed flat we have been renting since dd was a baby, we will have saved a deposit by next year but it’s been very tough in the small space!

So my db- relatively privileged background- private schooled, went to a Russell group uni, moved in with his very nice (now ex) girlfriend a couple of years ago and got a job in his chosen, very competitive (creative) field. Nevertheless he’s always been a bit entitled and selfish, which I unfortunately know more about than I probably should because during their 4 year relationship me and his gf became close. 1 year into the 2 year lease on their flat he broke up with her abruptly, left the flat and refused to speak to her again. He had decided she was holding back his ambitions in the music industry (he is a keen poet and singer, I always thought it was sort of a hobby but turns out he was feeling stifled in his job and so broke up with his gf and handed in his notice at work. I know all this because he contacted me the night he left wanting to stay with us. As it turns out we were away the following week so I said sure, use the flat for a week while you figure something out. This was back in April.

It’s now November and my brother decided that in order to focus on his music ambitions he was going to sofa surf, only work part time in temp/cash in hand jobs, with some travelling in between. He has been able to manage to feed himself and fund musical endeavours including a video, photo shoots and recording time, because he refuses to pay rent anywhere. He “needs” to be in our city thoguh so He has been sofa surfing with friends, staying with our parents when desperate (although they don’t live in the city), and asking that we let him “crash” probably once or twice a month for 3-4 days at a time. If I describe our flat: it is a small 1 bed. Dd has the one bedroom, dh and I have converted half the living room into a bedroom space and we have a sofa but it’s behind a bookcase from our bed. What I’m saying is it’s hardly suitable for the 3 of us let alone guests of any kind. When he stays, if dh is not away with work dd has to sleep in with us and my brother gets her bedroom. It means we all sleep badly and dh, dd and i are up and out by 8am for school and work every morning. However we have never said no to my brother. I get that our city is too expensive for him to afford somewhere on very part time ad hoc salary, and I’d never see him out on the street.

I guess this has come to a head for me because he’s just asked if he can “crash” for 2 nights before he jets off on a 2 week holiday to New York, he doesn’t want to pay for a hotel as “wants to save all the money he can”. He can afford a holiday to New York (somewhere I’d love to go especially this time of year!!), and to do his music, but he doesn’t want to pay for anything he sees as boring (such as a roof before he goes on an expensive long haul holiday.) Meanwhile dh and I are crammed in a tiny flat trying to save while working full time demanding jobs. And this does sound bloody minded but it’s how I feel: I’m creative too, I’d bloody love to pack it in and ignore the bills etc while I have a stab at what I love doing, but I can’t. Neither can any of the other people who have been housing my brother over the past 7 months- every single one of us works hard, pays rent and bills in this city.

Honestly I feel so frustrated with him. If he wants to do the starving artist thing fine, but the fact is he wants to continue to live in the city, and have all his spare cash and earnings to do something he enjoys (music and holidays). And isn’t self aware enough to see how annoying it is for him to want to crash at mine, at some inconevenice to us, before he goes on a holiday we couldn’t afford.

I am sure eventually his mates will get sick of him and he will need a reality check but whenever I have tried to speak to him about his plans he says he refuses to go back to work full time, and more annoyingly he spouts stuff about how other people are too tied into the “corporate machine” . He has even been lecturing one of his best friends about being a “sell out” because he has a stable job and rents a flat with his girlfriend, and making snide remarks about people who haven’t followed their creative dreams.
I feel like turning round and jsut saying if you can afford a holiday to New York right now I’m sure you can manage!! But I jsut feel like a right dick. Underneath it I do love him, I want him to be happy and I get that maybe he’s having a tough time but it’s so frustrating when I feel like he’s jsut using me (and others) so he can do exactly what he likes.

Aibu??

OP posts:
fedup21 · 06/11/2019 17:32

Guess who thinks he’s coming to live with us....

Has he actually asked?!

Purpleartichoke · 06/11/2019 17:35

Stop letting him stay. It’s not your problem

Zaphodsotherhead · 06/11/2019 17:45

I wanted to 'follow my creative dreams'. So I took a job in retail that earns enough (just) to pay my bills and gives me sufficient spare time for my creative work.

What's stopping him doing the same?

Drum2018 · 06/11/2019 17:56

You need to cop on and put your Dh and dd first. You and all his friends need to stop encouraging his entitled attitude. Everyone else has to work hard for what they want and make sacrifices so why the fuck should he get a free ride by taking advantage of you all? You need to learn to say no very quickly. I cannot believe you have put up with his scrounging for so long.

Jordan19 · 06/11/2019 17:58

Personally I feel the best thing to do is tough love. He won’t adjust to the real adult world if everyone around him allows him to continue acting like a teenager.

It’s admirable that he wishes to chase his dreams but it shouldn’t cost you or your family for him to do so.

I work a full time job and use any and all spare times to build and hopefully one day have my own business up and running. That’s the only way I could still be financially independent from my mother and chase my dreams, however if I had siblings like you and a mum who would allow me to pack my job in a live his kind of life style of course I would because why work harder when I don’t have to.

I would give him tough love, he won’t wise up unless he’s given no other option than to do so sadly! (We’ve had to do the same thing to my unemployed little brother!)

It’s hard to see them struggle but sometimes it’s a means to an end and a necessary evil for the long term.

I wish you all the best & please don’t let him take the piss out of you just because he’s your brother and you love him! You can love him and not be mugged off!

Good luck!

onthecoins · 06/11/2019 17:59

Start charging him £25 a night. Is he using your facilities and water and being fed when he stays?

SunshineDays2019 · 06/11/2019 18:00

I can't believe he has the cheek to turf his niece out of her bedroom. Is he not ashamed? How selfish. And I bet he would not have liked an uncle swooping in and taking over his bedroom for days at a time on a regular basis when he was her age. What a CF!!

Gfplux · 06/11/2019 18:01

Just say no.

managinged · 06/11/2019 18:03

Stop enabling!!!
Just tell him that in the past you've done him a big favor by letting him "crash" at your place but it's been uncomfortable and a tight squeeze and you just won't do it anymore.

Also tell him that if he can afford a two-week trip to New York, then he can afford two nights at a hostel. Say it via text message if you're afraid you'll start wobbling during a phone conversation.

Kinley · 06/11/2019 18:06

Op, tell him to do one now or else next year, when you have your lovely 2/3 bed house, you won't be able to get rid of him! Seriously, cut the nicey-nicey situation off right now or else he's going to end up your permanent rent free lodger.

Chloe84 · 06/11/2019 18:06

Yes that might be his fault but I’m hardly going to put him on the streets.

Then why are you posting here? Go and enable here some more, quit moaning here if you’re going to do what you’ve always done.

Charley50 · 06/11/2019 18:11

I'm sure he can afford to stay in an air Bnb for two nights. Stop enabling him being an arsehole and he'll eventually get the message.

Coughsyrupsucks · 06/11/2019 18:14

@fedup21 He’s only got DH, all Grandparents are passed and no other siblings. I think he genuinely thinks, we would be blessed to have him. We live in a 2 bed semi, not a cat in hell’s chance! I was Shock when he said it, I may have laughed Grin

Motoko · 06/11/2019 18:15

I'm quite angry, that you turf your daughter out of her room, in order to pander to your brother's freeloading whims! Your poor child, why are you putting your brother in front of her?

And what about your husband? Does he enjoy having to put up with your brother like this?

Your brother is a grown up who has enough money to go to NY, he's not going to be on the streets FFS!

Time to put your DH and DD before him.

jenthelibrarian · 06/11/2019 18:26

What will happen when you get the new place you've clearly worked and saved for?
Is he going to be 'entitled' to a spare bedroom, if you're lucky enough to have one, or assume your lovely new sofa in your nice new living room space is his when he fancies?
I'd be more sympathetic if he sounded a bit more self-aware or grateful, right now I think he sounds like a prick.

Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe · 06/11/2019 18:33

OP sorry but you are being used..taken the piss out of what ever way you want to dress it up and you are letting it happen...put your daughter first not this waif and stray nomad....who probably if he was any good would have been signed long ago....really its all too ridiculous ...stop pandering. its just bloody stupid.

Mydogmylife · 06/11/2019 18:35

Get your big girl pants on - just tell him it's no longer suitable for him to sofa surf at yours, don't let him guilt you into it. If he's got funds to jet off on longhaul holidays he can spring for a hostel or similar. So many people who spraff on about the 'corporate machine' are happy enough to live off the proceeds of those who actually do some work for a living.
Don't be that mug!

MachineBee · 06/11/2019 18:37

I’d be tempted to ‘forget’ to give him your new address when you move to your new home you’ve saved hard for. But I’m wicked that way Grin

Majorcollywobble · 06/11/2019 18:39

YANBU and you know this .
Say no - keep saying no .
Tell him to rent a garret immediately on his return from the Big Apple .

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 06/11/2019 18:40

Say "No. Its not convenient. Sorry"
And also add, DD is not giving up her bed ever again.
If he had to make do with a sleeping bag on the floor he might stop asking.

meyouandlulutoo · 06/11/2019 18:42

But I jsut feel like a right dick. Underneath it I do love him, I want him to be happy and I get that maybe he’s having a tough time but it’s so frustrating when I feel like he’s jsut using me (and others) so he can do exactly what he likes.

It doesn't sound to me as if he is having a tough time. It sounds to me as if he has everyone wrapped around his little finger, and he is not even grateful to the people, including you, who are accommodating him, How does your husband feel about this? How does your daughter feel about being driven out of her room every month? You don't mention her age but I guess she is very young as she sleeps in with you while your brother is there. How much longer do you think you will be able to carry on with this, she will come to resent this whole set up as she gets older and what kind of influence is it on her?

You know you are storing problems for the future if you don't put your foot down. As others have said once you are able to move if you have a spare room guess who will be trying to claim it? You seem to be in danger of sacrificing your family life for your brother.

LannisterLion1 · 06/11/2019 18:42

He can afford a hotel, same as he can a holiday. He chooses not to and leaches instead.

I can't believe your dp hasn't expressed frustration over this OP. You are badly enabling him to be a leach. He has money for holiday and spending, he prioritises that over a home as you all bend over for him.

You need to get tough and be fair to your dp and dd, you are putting your brother's wants above your family need.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 06/11/2019 18:45

we have never said no to my brother

And that's your problem right there; saying no is a perfectly rational option but you're choosing not to take it, so he continues to sneer at your expense

And why are you worried "he'd be out on the streets" if you say no? He could ... gasp ... get a job

rookiemere · 06/11/2019 18:50

Let him stay but don't move your sleeping arrangements. So that means sleeping bag in the kitchen I guess. So sad, but not fair for you guys to give up your beds for Mr Sponger. If it's less comfortable for him , he'll be less likely to come again.

MissConductUS · 06/11/2019 18:51

before he jets off on a 2 week holiday to New York, he doesn’t want to pay for a hotel as “wants to save all the money he can”. He can afford a holiday to New York

New Yorker here. It's hard to see how he's going to manage this without spending two thousand quid and it could easily cost twice that. He has about as much chance of "breaking into the music business" here as a tourist for two weeks as he does of being hit by a meteor while walking down 5th Avenue.

He'll have a lovely time though, and then return to shake his tin cup at you and plead poverty.

There are literally thousands of very talented musicians here who work their asses off waiting table in restaurants or doing other part time work while they try to get noticed. Many of them studied at prestigious conservatories like Eastman or Julliard. A tourist who is here for a fortnight would get dismissed out of hand.

You are enabling his fantasies by letting him badly abuse your hospitality.