Are you really that bothered about shared toilets?

[Beaverdam]

We were discussing this in work the other day. I really dont care about sharing toilets with males but some of the other women are really annoyed about the idea.

Are you annoyed about this? If so, what isit that you dont like about it? Do you think that the men will perve?

As a PP said, I went into the shiny new Unisex toilets at the Old Vic the other day. Yes, all the stalls had lockable doors, but there was still a man urinating with the door open!

We won't all have the same hygiene standards, but we have one unisex loo at work and it has been noted that by 2 hours after we start work, there is no hand drying paper in the bin. Perhaps they wave their hands dry or perhaps they don't wash their hands? I walk down to the next level and use the gender specific lavatory.

I thought I was fine with individual cubicles with floor to ceiling doors, until I pushed on an ajar door with 'vacant' showing on the lock only to find a bloke mid-piss. Thanks, Pret, for that unpleasant encounter.

I don’t want to for a really immature reason....

We have recently moved offices and in the old office, we had a shared toilet and the men (yes I know it was the men) would stink it out horrifically.

I know woman can be equally as gross but in my current work place I don’t want to share as a result of previous experience of sharing.

In my old job we didn’t have shared toilets but a trans woman (sorry I hate singling her out) would regularly use the ladies no issues there so I don’t really see the point in unisex ones other than more toilets being available...

@Nomorepies no need to swear.

@TheSandman funnily enough ive heard a few who work in schools and various venues say the same. Apparantly the mens are much cleaner and us women are dirty buggers.

I hate them. I used some in France recently. It was in the basement so I felt quite unsafe. There was a man peeing who hadn't closed the door, and actually had his arse hanging out if his trousers.

The toilet was covered in piss and I had to clean it up before DD could use it. No way would I have sent her to that toilet on her own.

Depends on the toilet, individual self contained units opening directly out into the corridor (like Costa or normal disabled toilets) fine, they will smell more but no safety concerns really. Hidden cameras maybe but I struggle to see how the risk is higher in this than a normal toilet, there is nothing really stopping men going into womens toilets to 'plant's these if they really wanted to. Maybe have that horrid blue lighting to stop cameras working as well?

Multi-cubicle I would hate. I don't want a bloke next to me shitting, I don't want him hearing me on the loo and I dont want the arrogant 'yeah, you know what I just did in there' look on their faces when you meet at the hand basin. I also think it is less safe and people could easily be trapped.

Actually. Reading all these posts....there is every fucking reason to swear!

Some men get off to the sound of women urinating. I refuse to be some man's wank fodder.

Wtf were the suffragettes fighting for when they battled for women's toilets? Does nobody understand history? The bladder leash was real, why do women want to throw away our comfort and freedom for the sake of appearing progressive? It's not progressive!!!

I think you all need to read/watch more queer porn. Women are equally into watersports and period stuff and could put themselves into situations where they get that gratification from you non-consensually.

What @MadgeMidgerson said right at the start. Perfectly articulated

Why do men use cubicles with the door open?

There are a significant minority who do.

Why do they? Even my 8 year old son knows better, did those men never learn, or did they forget, or is it deliberate...

Mens toilets usually stink and so do shared. Costa is a prime example, I ve never been in a clean one.
The perving side O font see a problem, as I very much doubt many men would do that

I didn't think I'd be bothered. Then, I used some. Was in a public building, but quiet and the entrance was sort of tucked under the stairs. I went in the first door, then there was a communal sink area and cubicles on either side with floor to ceiling doors. But, there was a man washing his hands, he looked at me in the mirror. I didn't look back but all of sudden I got that familiar female feeling of vulnerability. In a split second my body went on high alert as my brain involuntarily assessed my plan of action/means of escape, etc. Am sure the guy was lovely and safe and all that. However, what if he wasn't? I realised that if he wasn't a nice guy, something could have happened, no one would have known until someone else walked in and even then, with the long cubicle doors, it still wouldn't be obvious. I am a middle aged woman and unlikely to be a target, but if it could make me feel like that then how would it feel to a younger woman, a teenager, someone in a more vulnerable position? I don't use the toilets in that building any more. I've had enough of feeling like that in my life as a woman that I don't choose to feel that way when I have the choice and control over it.

@ChilledBee cool story bro. Prove it.

@Nomorepies doesnt offend me in general but i thought you were swearing at me lol.

Mixed toilets where each cubicle has a basin and hand dryer etc seem fine by me.

Agreed. If they are basically self contained rooms I can’t see a problem. Urinals aren’t a necessity.

Also, having been a cleaner before, I can say that in my experience the women’s loos have been the worst to clean so I don’t think that’d be an issue.

i Wouldn’t share, years ago in a retail environment, I was one female with own toilet to six guys with one toilet. Mine lovely and clean ( cleaned by me) theirs filthy, they didn’t clean it.

I was once asked as a favour if I would clean it, I said I would only pour bleach down, which I did.
It was disgusting.
It needed more than bleach.
I didn’t clean any further than the bleach.

Men choose to be useless in this respect,as they expect someone else to cleanup after them, either their mum, girlfriend, wife or the actual cleaner.
Just no 😀

I’m sure there are “some” cleaner men out there really.

@NoNewsisGood oh god, that must have been scary. The more i think about it and read these posts, the more i am against it.

I havent had any issues so far, but women are generally weaker than men. What if one day you think you are okay and then realise yoy are very vulnerable but nobody is there to help. The elderly are also vulnerable.

I have had near misses of getting attacked a few times. Im obviously a bit thick to not consider the possibility of getting attacked.

In my experience most (not all, but most) women couldn't seem to give a hoot that a bearded bloke is scrubbing the toilet in the next cubicle while they are doing whatever they were doing in there

And, as I also clean the Men's toilets next door, I can, hand on my heart, say the women's toilets are always messier. But more paper on the floor and more wee too - I regularly have to mop women's cubicles but hardly ever the men's

Firstly, how would you know if women are bothered? If they are, they walk away when they saw the sign. If they can't wait so feel forced to use the toilet while you are there, most women are socialised not to confront male strangers - they are unlikely to tell you if they are bothered.

Secondly, it is hardly surprising that women's cubicles are messier, as they get far more use. Men can use urinals 90% of the time, and they are less likely to be accompanying small children to the loo. Women's cubicles probably get at least 10 times the use of the men's ones, quite a bit of it by young kids.

I have gone into women's toilets that are messy, but I have never gone into one and found piss all over the seat, the way I often do in toilets shared with men.

Because I would feel extremely uneasy about being the only woman in the toilets if there was a lone male in there who I didn't know. In fact, I would walk straight out, no matter how much I needed to go. I wouldn't have a clue whether he's a decent type or an opportunistic rapist.

Because quite often mums with young children have no choice but to have the door open while their young child sits on the toilet so they can watch the pram at the same time. While I accept that only a very small minority of men are paedophiles, the 'men in the Ladies' scenario will mean that paedophiles could - and will - feign 'trans' to gain entry. The same goes for voyeurs and worse.

Because men don't want women in their space, which is fair enough to me.

I think you all need to read/watch more queer porn. Women are equally into watersports and period stuff and could put themselves into situations where they get that gratification from you non-consensually

Odd how women are never caught planting hidden cameras etc. But, even if it's true that women are equally likely to share these fetishes, the difference is that sexual assault by women on other women is rare. 98% of sexual crime is committed by men. So, even if a women is perving on me, she is highly unlikely to go on to be a physical threat.

The perving side O font see a problem, as I very much doubt many men would do that

There are 130 incidents a year in swimming pool changing rooms alone, almost all of them in unisex facilities - link here.