Men sat in women's changing rooms

[nycfrog]

AIBU to get annoyed with women who plop their (male) SOs on the stools/seating in changing rooms?

Yesterday I needed the store assistant to help me with the back of a dress - on the way out of the changing rooms I realised my bare back had basically been exposed to a random bloke sat at the entrance. I know the shop assistant probably could have been more discreet but aibu to think they could sit somewhere else?

JustAnotherMammi

Not talking about just changing rooms though. Many posters are saying men shouldn't be allowed anywhere near changing rooms, even to wait outside, not in certain departments within shops, 1 or 2 say they shouldn't be in a shop where a woman might try clothes on and 1 poster here says men shouldn't be allowed in the woman's clothing department at all.

So they aren't just talking about toilets or changing rooms but departments within shops.

Are certain pp forgetting that most shop changing rooms have curtains that deliberately don't fully close. I thought it was pretty well known to prevent shoplifters i.e. that gap in the curtain is to make you feel you are being watched / seen. For the psychological effect.

For posters who don't care they can be seen or there may be men about, good for you but you don't get to give away other womens safety or sense of security.

Most women I know would want their male partners and companions to sit there.

Me included. That is exactly where I want him. I don't want to have to traipse over the car park to Maplins just to ask his opinion.

Most women I know would want their male partners and companions to sit there

I wouldn't. Neither would any women I know. I don't know any men who'd sit there either. Mine wanders off to do something more interesting.

Exactly, @Hearhoovesthinkzebras there's two things going on here - one where people don't want men sat just next to/inside the entrance of changing rooms (OK, that's fair enough) and others want complete men nowhere near even the women's clothing sections (shop floor) as it's for women

I don't want to have to traipse over the car park to Maplins just to ask his opinion

@WotchaTalkinBoutWillis

Exactly.

We've got the understandable Vs the irrational going on here.

@WotchaTalkinBoutWillis & @Hearhoovesthinkzebras I don’t think anyone is suggesting men shouldn’t be allowed in women’s shops.
Where has that been said ?

I can’t think of a single changing room in my city that men could view women changing by sitting on the chairs provided outside.

Gardai

Honestly, read the posts.

Can someone find a link to discussion about the same topic on a forum frequented by mainly men where they tie themselves in knots about how to accommodate women

I’ll wait

I don’t think anyone is suggesting men shouldn’t be allowed in women’s shops. Where has that been said

It's definitely been said that men should not be allowed in women's clothes wear sections at all.
So, does that mean if it's a women's clothes wear shop men have to stay out?
How does that work then if he wants to go in and buy a dress there for his wife for example?
Seeing as women clothes wear sections are apparently women's only places?

*Can someone find a link to discussion about the same topic on a forum frequented by mainly men where they tie themselves in knots about how to accommodate women

I’ll wait*

^ sadly this. So fucking depressing. 2019 and we're going back in time.

I wouldn't either cheery
I obviously have no problem with men in women's clothes shops (although I really hate them lurking about when I'm buying underwear) but INSIDE the changing room (which is where OP said the man was) is just not on.
You would have to be extraordinarily self absorbed and senseless to not realise that other women really don't want to step out of the cubicle to check out their arse in the big mirror (sometimes you need a bit of distance) to see your "hubby" sat there gawping.
But then sometimes I feel like a dying breed-I actually think manners mean allowing people to be at their ease as much as you can. In other words, not relentlessly putting your own selfish wants first and following unwritten rules that were made to let women have their privacy and dignity.
How old fashioned of me.

I think it's fairly obvious here that some users either have very poor written comprehension or they are only seeing what they want to see.

It's reading a bit like: I don't wear sandals in the winter. You don't think anyone should ever wear sandals? You want sandals removed from every shop?! You're crazy.

And again. I don’t know any changing rooms where the seats outside enable men to see women changing or using the communal mirror. Not one.

Here's one example @Gardai

What the hell does a middle aged man even need to go into New Look for? Its a shop aimed at teenage girls!

I think it's fairly obvious here that some users either have very poor written comprehension or they are only seeing what they want to see

Nope, READ the thread.
It's in black and white where it has been said that they shouldn't be in women's sections full stop.

or they are only seeing what they want to see
Ain't that the truth!

So my dh or sons can’t go shopping with my teenage daughter. 😂

Insanity. If you want that kind of set up move to Saudi Arabia. Don’t inflict such madness on the rest of us.

Oh and here's another one
Those with such partners, get a grip and have some empathy or don't take him in the women's clothing section.

Dunno why I'm bothering, I know I'll get told "it didn't mean don't take him into the section at all, silly!"
(despite it saying exactly that lol)

there's more on the thread too

Insanity. If you want that kind of set up move to Saudi Arabia. Don’t inflict such madness on the rest of us

Hear, hear

Oh yeah, because there is an industrial sized problem with lesbians encroaching on women's boundaries and objectifying them for sport at every turn - right? Right?

There’s even less of a chance of trans people doing this but women are still losing their shit over it.

By women's sections, I'm pretty sure what is meant is women's spaces. I.e. changing rooms or toilets, possibly other areas I am overlooking. Spaces were women are particularly vulnerable. I don't think any woman feels men shouldn't be able to buy lingerie for their girlfriend, wife or themselves if they're a "cross-dresser", quotations used as I believe this is outdated and sexist, wear what you want as long as it doesn't harm others and you are in touch with biological reality. Any woman claiming such I suspect are in fact trans turning more hatred towards women, it is the internet after all.

What the hell does a middle aged man even need to go into New Look for? Its a shop aimed at teenage girls!

That’s a question in relation to a woman’s experience. That’s not quite the same as saying men should b banned from women’s clothes shops. Some women have said that men in clothes shops irritate them, because they get in the way when they’re not actually shopping. I can understand that go a point. When you’re trying to look at a range of women’s wear, makeup, etc and there’s a man standing their like a bored shop dummy, unaware or not caring that you want to see the thing behind or beside him. Being irritated by a man’s presence is different from saying ban them from female shops. I’m not sure if some posters can’t grasp the difference or are simply trying to prove that females are irrational. But surely there’s no reason behind trying to discredit women that want female only spaces to remain so?

By women's sections, I'm pretty sure what is meant is women's spaces. I.e. changing rooms or toilets, possibly other areas I am overlooking.

Nope, it meant women's wear from some.
Nowt to do with toilets or changing rooms.
Like the example someone just posted about New Look What the hell does a middle aged man even need to go into New Look for? Its a shop aimed at teenage girls!
Erm, single Dad buying clothes for his dd? One example?