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FiL said our house smells of urine

111 replies

NataliaNutella · 03/11/2019 11:45

In the fifteen years I've known him I always thought FiL was a very quiet, introverted man due to lack of confidence. However in the last few years I think it might be a slight superiority which means he doesn't say much, either that or just terrible social skills! He has been very blunt with me recently to the point where I don't really want to be left alone with him.
He makes lots of comments about my weight (I'm a 14/16) such as 'is your dad slim or is he (puffs up cheeks, Michelin man impression arms) like you' also 'your mum is very slim, that surprised me.' Oh and 'maybe you and MiL could have a weight loss contest and can just hit the cakes out of your hands when we see you eating.' All of this is done with no expression, no humour. Deadpan expression.
I can take it. I have blunt friends, but there is warmth there. I can't think of anything nice that FiL has ever said to me. Sometimes he does strange gestures like buy me a Xmas decoration in Summer or brings over loads of kg bags of nuts but they're so odd and random that I can't really understand where they come from. Once he found a hat in a hedge whilst he was walking and washed it and gave it to me as he 'thought it would look nice with my hair.'
Yesterday was breaking point for me. I was having dd's birthday party in the afternoon, I had no help as dp was working and dm was busy. My son has been potty training for two weeks and we have carpet. We also only moved into our house last year and haven't saved up for a new bathroom yet. He came in whilst I was icing a very complicated pattern on a cake and said 'you should spray some air freshener round.' I said ok thanks DiL I will. He then came back about ten minutes later as I will almost balancing baking trays of snacks on my head and said 'the reason I said that about the air freshener is that this house smells of urine, it always does, especially in the bathroom, I think you really should do something about it, especially before guests come over. The other parents will judge you, you know, and the children won't have any friends at school.'
I was livid on the point of telling FiL that I've got enough on and I can't do anymore and if he would like to help then maybe you should go and clean the toilet yourself. It may well be true but I'd washed the carpets and I've tried I don't know how many things on the toilet but there is a way of saying things.
My parents would have pulled me aside and said it when I was calm and when I wasn't doing a million things. They would have offered to help, they would do things in a more subtle way and I would be grateful.

I wouldn't mind but it's not the same if you tell them a few home truths. My BiL is 26 and has never worked for longer than a few months. My Dm is a well connected employee of a higher education charity, she asked BiL how the job hunt was going when it was just the two of them. It got back to dp how judged BiL felt and how it was very out of order how my Dm had handled things.
Arghhhh! So frustrating

OP posts:
UniversalAunt · 03/11/2019 14:56

Well if your Preferred Blunt Friend (PBF) tells you it pongs of wee in the bathroom now, why wait ?

It’ll only get worse & more likely to sink into underlying layers & floorboards - far cheaper & more sanitary to tackle the problems now.

Carpets in bathrooms - bleugh 🤢

ConfusedAndStressed95 · 03/11/2019 14:57

Not all blunt people are autistic. I and most of my family and friends are autistic and we'd never behave like that. The FIL is being an arse and needs to be called out on it. I hate the mumsnet culture of oh they're blunt or shy or a bit of an arse so they must be autistic or neurodiverse. It's armchair psychology following the myths and untruths about autism being spread by people with no idea on what the condition is and how it affects people. Good for everyone who knows someone with autism or has spoken to someone with autism but unless you live with the condition you know nothing about what it is and how it affects people and causes them to behave.

OP I'm sorry your FIL is like that with you, you need to say something to him or your DH and get him to talk to his father. If he doesn't change how he speaks to you limit contact however you can or it's only going to get worse.

Frenchw1fe · 03/11/2019 15:10

Sounds a bit strange but why not buy one of those sprays for pet pee and try it on bathroom carpet. It’s the bacterial enzymes that cause the whiff so that’s what you need to tackle. Also when I noticed smell in our bathroom the seal was cracked around toilet base so I squirted bleach around edge and that sorted it.
As for fil just be blunt back, he’ll get the message.

ThatssomebadhatHarry · 03/11/2019 15:14

He is not being blunt!! He is being a cunt. I hate this “I tell it like it is” bullshit people say. Nope you are a prick.

Durgasarrow · 03/11/2019 15:15

I think what he was telling you was to stop doing a complicated pattern on the cake and pay attention to the thing that was more important before guests came coming over. Or ask him to do it. Open the windows. Spray the air freshener. Throw some bleach around. Do SOMETHING. No one wants to eat pastry in a toilet.

PulpPixie · 03/11/2019 15:25

I’d rather know and you’ve said yourself that it could be smelly so I don’t get why he’s getting so much hate.

Storsteinen · 03/11/2019 15:36

I think he's "getting so much hate" because he also said other horrible things to the OP, such as commenting on her weight. It wasn't just the urine issue.

Justajot · 03/11/2019 15:45

He sounds unpleasant. It took me ages to work out why our loo smelled of urine - it was DD's toilet seat. I hadn't realised that our cleaner wasn't cleaning it at the same time as the loo.

DeeCeeCherry · 03/11/2019 15:49

Grow a backbone. You could've told him to STFU ages ago then avoided and not spoken to him. But you sound as if you have an ongoing dialogue/a very strange dynamic

Durgasarrow · 03/11/2019 16:22

But I think that he may have had something useful to say here. Which is that there was something wrong with this birthday party scenario. The OP was doing all the work herself of a birthday party, without the aid of her husband and her mother, and for a four year old's party, she was "icing a very complicated pattern on a cake" without delegating any work to said father-in-law. This made me feel deeply for the OP. I wonder if, intentionally or unintionally. he was pointing to an imbalance in her life. I.E.: she is getting oerwhelmed with responsibility and losing her sense of priorities. This is not because she is bad but probably because she is good. It's too much to singlehandedly have a birthday party without help AND have an elaborately decorated cake AND have a perfectly clean bathroom AND a toilet trained little one AND do everything with no help from husband. She might need more help generally.

Durgasarrow · 03/11/2019 16:59

This may have been the wrong time to have the birthday party. Or, it may be the wrong time to have elaborately decorated a cake. Something has to go sometimes. Something has to be streamlined.

HurricaneWitch · 03/11/2019 17:01

Oh and 'maybe you and MiL could have a weight loss contest and can just hit the cakes out of your hands when we see you eating.' *
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WTF? What a grade A prick.

tobedtoMNandfart · 03/11/2019 17:19

Boundaries.

For whatever irrelevant reason he is becoming more and more hurtful towards you. Tell DH his F is only welcome when DH is there.

ActualHornist · 03/11/2019 17:30

I’d be rescinding any invitation to my home and telling my husband why. I wouldn’t bother telling FIL because he’ll only say he was joking or being truthful and thus it wasn’t offensive.

I think I would also have shot back that if the house smells of piss maybe he’d like to have a word with his son about it? I live in a house of boys, it’s certainly not MY piss that ends up on the floor and making things stink!

(I know you’re potty training but still!)

GoodGriefSunshine · 03/11/2019 17:40

Durgasarrow how in god's name is telling someone they are fat, that they think their mother is boss eyed, that they think their father looks weirdly old and giving grief for her being a full time mum in any way helpful? Seriously, how? Really, I want to know how puffing out your cheeks and miming the Michelin man is in anyway constructive.

LazyDaisey · 03/11/2019 18:55

“It's too much to singlehandedly have a birthday party without help AND have an elaborately decorated cake AND have a perfectly clean bathroom AND a toilet trained little one AND do everything with no help from husband. ”

To be fair, most of us concentrate on getting rid of piss stains when potty training. Not icing an elaborate cake for 4 year olds who seriously couldn’t care less.

SleepyKat · 03/11/2019 19:03

So the problem is that he chose the wrong time to tell you but you agree your house smells of piss? He’s right that other parents will judge. I have a dog which wees on the carpet sometimes but my house doesn’t smell of urine. I bought a bissel carpet shampooer and I wash the carpet. Even without that you should be able to wash the carpet enough even if just with bio wash powder and scrub it.

The comments about your weight are crueler. The comments about your house does sound like he’s worried about the impact on you and your kids. Other kids will tease your dc if they come round and the house smells (depending on age of kids, can’t work out how old your eldest is).

messolini9 · 03/11/2019 19:06

Have you tried telling him to sod off?

Really.
Every time he makes a rude or personal remark.
Bet he can give it out, but not take it.

Mamasaurus82 · 03/11/2019 19:07

What a prick!
I laughed out loud about him finding a hat in a hedge and thinking that could be a present for you... like something in a bad sitcom.
Can you stand up to him more or would it cause problems? X

Durgasarrow · 04/11/2019 05:06

If he told you the house smelled of piss after the party or during the party, he would be undermining you. But before the party, that is helpful information.

Durgasarrow · 04/11/2019 05:08

I agree that the other comments are ridiculous. But people are often unaware of how bad their own smells or the smells of their homes can be.

readingismycardio · 04/11/2019 05:30

The smell comment might as well be true- but this is not the point of this read in my opinion. He sounds very much like my FIL, a rude prick with no filter who offends people just for the sake of it, and no one ever confronted him because he was ill in the past (he's not really ill anymore, but he's still a rude prick).

You need to call him out on it. You also (the classic) have a DH problem. What does he say?

WhereYouLeftIt · 04/11/2019 05:35

You say he doesn't make these sort of comments to others. Pretty sure if it was dementia etc. he'd be an equal opportunities arsehole and not just save it all for you. So I think you're right to think that it might be more passive aggressive. Women like me scare him a bit."

And if that's the case, I'd be putting some effort into my scariness. No shitty comment of his would pass unremarked by me. There's the standard 'pardon?' approach to make him repeat it, the' what did you mean by that?' approach so that he can dig a deeper hole, or go for the jugular with 'wow, you're ramping up the offensive behaviour today, FIL, is it a special occasion?'.

Hannahmates · 04/11/2019 05:38

If your house smells of urine wouldn't you want to know and do something about it? Why would host a birthday party when your house smells of urine? I would never ask or expect my parents to clean my house when it smells of urine.

He sounds awful as a person generally but in this case I'd think he was right.

geojojo · 04/11/2019 07:27

This reminds me a bit of my fil. I actually get on well with him most of the time and at heart I think he is a kind and caring man but he sometimes says such offensive things and just doesn't realise. I actually think he might have undiagnosed asd.

Examples include lots of comments about how behind my children are and about how dirty the house is. I am a bit obsessive about cleaning and I think my children are developmentally average so I don't think there is truth in his comments. Once he was helping to move some things around in the kitchen and there was lots of dust behind it and for hours afterwards he kept going on about how dirty it was and how could anyone live in a house like this. I was actually very offended and he never apologises even if he realises he has gone too far.

Do you think your fil realises he is being offensive? Perhaps he also just has very bad social skills?

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