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FiL said our house smells of urine

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NataliaNutella · 03/11/2019 11:45

In the fifteen years I've known him I always thought FiL was a very quiet, introverted man due to lack of confidence. However in the last few years I think it might be a slight superiority which means he doesn't say much, either that or just terrible social skills! He has been very blunt with me recently to the point where I don't really want to be left alone with him.
He makes lots of comments about my weight (I'm a 14/16) such as 'is your dad slim or is he (puffs up cheeks, Michelin man impression arms) like you' also 'your mum is very slim, that surprised me.' Oh and 'maybe you and MiL could have a weight loss contest and can just hit the cakes out of your hands when we see you eating.' All of this is done with no expression, no humour. Deadpan expression.
I can take it. I have blunt friends, but there is warmth there. I can't think of anything nice that FiL has ever said to me. Sometimes he does strange gestures like buy me a Xmas decoration in Summer or brings over loads of kg bags of nuts but they're so odd and random that I can't really understand where they come from. Once he found a hat in a hedge whilst he was walking and washed it and gave it to me as he 'thought it would look nice with my hair.'
Yesterday was breaking point for me. I was having dd's birthday party in the afternoon, I had no help as dp was working and dm was busy. My son has been potty training for two weeks and we have carpet. We also only moved into our house last year and haven't saved up for a new bathroom yet. He came in whilst I was icing a very complicated pattern on a cake and said 'you should spray some air freshener round.' I said ok thanks DiL I will. He then came back about ten minutes later as I will almost balancing baking trays of snacks on my head and said 'the reason I said that about the air freshener is that this house smells of urine, it always does, especially in the bathroom, I think you really should do something about it, especially before guests come over. The other parents will judge you, you know, and the children won't have any friends at school.'
I was livid on the point of telling FiL that I've got enough on and I can't do anymore and if he would like to help then maybe you should go and clean the toilet yourself. It may well be true but I'd washed the carpets and I've tried I don't know how many things on the toilet but there is a way of saying things.
My parents would have pulled me aside and said it when I was calm and when I wasn't doing a million things. They would have offered to help, they would do things in a more subtle way and I would be grateful.

I wouldn't mind but it's not the same if you tell them a few home truths. My BiL is 26 and has never worked for longer than a few months. My Dm is a well connected employee of a higher education charity, she asked BiL how the job hunt was going when it was just the two of them. It got back to dp how judged BiL felt and how it was very out of order how my Dm had handled things.
Arghhhh! So frustrating

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Pinkypurple35 · 03/11/2019 12:29

He sounds awful and rude AF. Next time don’t hold back and tell him he’s rude, in fact I’d consider going LC or NC if his comments are increasing in frequency.
I’d also ask a trusted (kind) friend or family member if your bathroom smells of urine just in case. From my experience toddler wee isn’t smelly as it’s quite dilute so he’s probably just being a horrible asshole.

mrsjoyfulprizeforraffiawork · 03/11/2019 12:32

I'm not clear of you are saying your FILs character has recently changed?
I may be off the mark but it could be a very early sign of dementia. A family member here became increasingly out spoken and we didn't think a great deal about it at the time but now we can see it was the start of the dementia.

This ++++ As the frontal part of the brain becomes affected, sufferers start to make inappropriate/overly frank remarks.

Branster · 03/11/2019 12:34

He clearly comes out with everything that crosses through his mind with not sensitivity to other people”s feelings. He may actually have a point that the bathroom smells - try vinegar.
Yeah well he may have this or that conditions but he is unbelievably rude to you in particular, you need to pint out to him that his comments are hurtful or pronounced at the wrong time and he probably doesn’t even realise he’s doing it. . If he’s got half a brain, he’ll correct himself in the future (I doubt he would apologise). If he carries on, stop spending any time with him.

Elle7rose · 03/11/2019 12:35

I also wondered about Dementia or possible Asperger's? His behaviour is really quite odd!

cannycat20 · 03/11/2019 12:35

If he's always been like this, then is it passive-aggression? One of my uncles used to do the "random things in hedges" thing but some of that was because he grew up during WWII and they literally had nothing. He was generally very kind to people though, and I don't remember him saying anything mean about anyone, even his absolute witch of an ex-wife. He did often have lots of advice for us all, though, but usually it was followed by, "And how can I help you with that?" And he'd muck in.

If it is a recent development, then it could be a sign of dementia or other illnesses. Though it sounds like you might have to dance on eggshells from the sound of it to raise it with your in-laws.

WorldEndingFire · 03/11/2019 12:40

I had wondered whether he was neurodiverse as well.

A note about the carpets - might be worth trying an enzymatic cleaner. It proved very useful with a puppy. You can buy one called Nature's Miracle by the gallon with a spray gun. It's very effective - hope it helps.

Boysey45 · 03/11/2019 12:44

I also second the PP who said ask a trusted person if the house smells of wee.I'd ask your Mum to be honest.
Also check that the toilet pipe underneath it isn't leaking. I've had that before and the dirty water was dripping on the floor.

brighteyeowl17 · 03/11/2019 12:47

Dementia or Alzheimer’s?

EdWinchester · 03/11/2019 12:48

He’s certainly blunt!

Does your house smell pissy though?

sonjadog · 03/11/2019 12:48

How did he react when you got angry with him? Did he realise how rude he had been or was he surprised?

recrudescence · 03/11/2019 12:49

Tell FiL you need to show him something very important. Lead him to the front door and see him out of it. Do not bother to explain yourself.

pizzicato · 03/11/2019 12:53

DishingoutDone. Aren't you an absolute delight.

Greenkit · 03/11/2019 12:53

Oh FIL, you really need to sit down, if you know you cant aim properly anymore.

Either that or 'Did you mean to be so rude'

PortiaCastis · 03/11/2019 12:55

Tell him to check his trousers as the pee pong arrived with him and disappears when he leaves
Vile knobber!

helpfulperson · 03/11/2019 12:59

The giving Christmas things in summer and arriving with bags of nuts sounds like some sort of dementia.

It isnt clear if this rudeness is a change of behaviour or he had always been like this but a change could be indicative of again dementia.

mintcorneto · 03/11/2019 13:01

My auntie started making rude comments during the early stages of dementia. This was before diagnosis. She also started doing bizarre things like what you said about Xmas decorations in summer and the hat present.

NataliaNutella · 03/11/2019 13:10

There probably is an element of truth in the urine comment. We've tried many, many things but I'm not replacing the carpet until after DS and DD have finished frequently pissing on things.
I'll look into the pipe thing. But to be honest when I came back from holiday after a week I only noticed a faint wee smell not a full on pong.
I have definitely considered autism as I've worked with many autistic dentists and doctors over the years. However he's not blunt to others. DP drinks a lot and works in an industry which leaves your clothes smelling funky, he's never commented on it.
MiL's sister has gingivitis, again no comment. Whilst with me he says things like 'your mum, is she cross eyed?' Or 'when I met your stepdad I thought he looked old enough to be your grandfather.'
I think it might be more passive aggressive. Women like me scare him a bit. I drive, I don't need to follow him to get to a NT property, I sort out our finances, I'm the main breadwinner. MiL is very much 'that's FiL's job, I don't know anything about that.' I gave him advice on getting an estate agent valuation once I don't think he's forgiven me yet.
But yes, will try to get house smelling better. I asked very blunt friend yesterday and she said 'it only does in the bathroom.' And she's the one who told me my hair made me look fatter!

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NataliaNutella · 03/11/2019 13:14

Hard to say if he's always been like this as we've moved closer so see them more and I have got to know him better. I don't know if he feels more comfortable around me and thinks this is acceptable. He's only 59!

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Durgasarrow · 03/11/2019 13:20

There could be an a strong smell of urine in your house. Just because you were icing things does not mean that this smell would be less unpleasant if he was correct.

Durgasarrow · 03/11/2019 13:23

In that case, his blunt words are very useful information. Not to shame you, but for you to address more directly. Non-family members won't tell you these things, but they will avoid you. Please don't blame the messenger or treat him as if he is crazy. What he told you isn't hateful. It is useful. Fix the urine smell.

NumberblockNo1 · 03/11/2019 13:23

Hes sounds very much like my dad. I currently hate him. However.... my duaghters autistic and I think its very likely my dad is.

He criticises me all the time - my mum used to think its because he states any deficiency he sees is him being concerned and not realising how blunt it is.

NataliaNutella · 03/11/2019 13:27

@Durgasarrow there's a way of doing things though. So definitely tell me but not when I'm stressed out and doing a million things. It actually sort of ruined the afternoon for me. All I kept thinking was 'do they all think it smells?' No one should make you feel like that.

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KatherineJaneway · 03/11/2019 13:29

"Oh dear, if it smells of wee and you have noticed then you won't want to stick around. See you another time, I'll get your coat."

CornishCreation · 03/11/2019 13:32

introverted man due to lack of confidence.

Your ignorance is a big issue her, being introverted has nothing to do with confidence.
And being confident has nothing to do with being introverted.

It's ignorant views like this that causes social anxiety.
Educate yourself if you're going to try and big yourself up by putting other people down!

Aquilla · 03/11/2019 13:33

My first thought was early signs of dementia too. They start to lose their 'filter'.

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