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to ditch my business partner?

142 replies

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 10:17

We met abroad whilst working for the same company in a rather niche job role - I'd rather not disclose it because it'll probably be too revealing, so let's say Clown.

I'd been thinking of setting up a Clown recruitment agency for a while, and the thought had occurred to her too and decided shortly after meeting that we should do it together.

I'd been putting off setting up because I was worried about handling clients (I'm not a sales-type really) and she seemed an ideal partner because of her extreme confidence and charisma. All good.

I immediately started on branding, built a website, built a database blah blah but she kept on putting it off, next month, next month, next month so we didn't end up actually opening until 12 months later.

I left my job at the same time as the business started, and began working FT on it. She said she would hand in her notice.

This was back in May - she is still working FT as a Clown. This means 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week (it's hard work Clowning) that she is at work and not available to contact.

In the meantime, I'm working 12 hours a day Mon-Sat, only 6 or 7 on Sundays - running the agency.

The original plan was that she would be bringing in the Clients - but she has failed to bring in any, all of the clients have found us through the marketing that I've been doing online.

After a couple of months, I got sick of doing all the work so we agreed that she would take on Clown interviews - a client would want a clown, I'd find the candidates, shortlist them, background check them etc etc - and she would conduct the registration interviews - about 20 mins of time but a relief to me, partly because I hate doing them.

Except, I've got to arrange these interviews - around her work schedule, around the clown's current work schedule - and then act as her PA to remind her to take the calls.

She repeatedly is late making the calls, and has actually forgotten entirely more than 6 times - last week a candidate was left waiting 2 hours whilst I was desperately trying to get ahold of BP to make the call.
One time, I arranged 5 calls only to have her ask me to rearrange them 30 mins beforehand because she wanted to go to a party.

She has told me the business is her life and she's constantly promoting it - but we never get new clients from her. She bought in 1 client, once, right at the beginning who was a mutual friend.

Obviously whilst she's working FT she can't work properly for the business anyway, but I don't really see what she can add to the business even if she leaves - she doesn't have the technical knowledge to do any of the online stuff, including marketing, and I don't trust her to do admin properly.
The business makes A LOT more than she makes working as a Clown anyway.
At the moment its all split 50/50 so she's making a fortune doing very little. (I worked out she basically gets about £3,000 for every 20 minute interview the other day)
In fact, a full time Clown Recruitment Consultant would be paid a lot less, and get a lot more done.

But this business was meant to be our baby, and I feel horrifically guilty at the idea of dumping her. I know that she won't understand the reasons why even if I explained, and would make a massive fuss about how I betrayed her - which I guess leaving her would be a betrayal?

I know that business is cold, and harsh etc - but I'm not and I don't want to become that person.

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PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 10:17

Urgh. Long - I'm sorry. Just didn't want to drip feed

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TheFaerieQueene · 25/10/2019 10:25

She is playing you for a fool! 😉

In all honesty though, I would dissolve the partnership and go your own way.

Brefugee · 25/10/2019 10:26

Ditch her, you seem to be doing pretty well on your own. Who knew Clowns were so much in demand! Wink

smoresmores · 25/10/2019 10:28

Good grief yes get rid! I can't believe you're paying her for this level of fuck all.

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 10:32

I know that her argument will be that she spends all her free time messaging potential clients, giving out her business cards and trying to drum up business.

But it's clearly not effective - so I'm not sure it should be treated as billable hours if that makes sense.

I understand that there is always going to be time spent on marketing that doesn't yield results - but its been 6 months, I don't think its fair to write off that much time.

I paid for a marketing strategy to be written for us by a professional - she still hasn't read it. I must have sent it to her 6 times. There's specific points for her to action as the "client face" of the business, but she hasn't done them.

It all sounds really obvious written down, but I can't shake the feeling of being unfair to her.

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DorisDances · 25/10/2019 10:33

Did you enter into any legal agreements? Does she have any rights over equipment, the brand etc. If I were you, I would book an hours appointment with a commercial solicitor and they will help you untangle and move on cleanly.

GingerFoxInAT0phat · 25/10/2019 10:35

Absolutely get rid, I started a business with a friend and the dynamics sound similar to yours. I’m a little shy whilst my friend is very confident. We was dealing with a lot of people and it was nice for me to have a little bit of a safety blanket working with my friend.

However, I ended up doing all the behind the scenes stuff, designing leaflets, all social media posts, marketing, researching and ordering stock, storing it at my house, making sure it was all clean and presentable for a job. Then she would turn up on the day and the money would be split 50/50.

I’ve now gone in a different direction and much happier.

Could you do some coaching to make you more confident in front of clients?

UpToonGirl · 25/10/2019 10:36

Have you got a contract? How will she take it if you decide to part ways?

Have you sat down face to face recently and discussed how much the business is bringing in - it sounds like you are off to a flying start and if she was on board fully you would potentially be making more, is that an incentive to her? Why did she want to set up on her own?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 25/10/2019 10:39

She is being paid to do nothing. Even if she left her job and worked in the business full time I doubt she would contribute much.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 25/10/2019 10:39

What's the legal position here? It might not be as easy to cut her off if she is legally a business partner.

MrsMozartMkII · 25/10/2019 10:42

Dorisdancer has the way forward.

Don't feel guilty, unless there's some backstory as to why you should be financially be supporting this woman. Running a business is bloody hard work. It's worth it for the return, be that financial or emotional, but only to those who actually put the effort in.

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 10:43

From a legal perspective, splitting would be very easy.
In fact, because I've done all the work - I own all of the assets and intellectual property. It would be very simple to walk away.
We do not have a contract between us.

Last time we met face to face I raised a lot of things but she brushed them off. It's difficult to explain, but she's very good at talking so I didn't realise at the time that she wasn't addressing the actual issues and was just making excuses. I know that makes me very stupid!

Theoretically, we'd be making more if she was fully on board...but in reality? She's not proven herself to be able to bring in work over the last 6 months, and she's said herself she doesn't know how to get more business in other than what she's currently doing (which doesn't seem to be working).

I'm not sure I'd have started without her, I'd have been too nervous - but honestly other than that leap of faith, if you removed her from the timeline, it would make very little difference to the business.

I have considered doing some sales training to gain confidence. I was actually considering some kind of training for personal confidence anyway

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Butchyrestingface · 25/10/2019 10:44

She’s a piss taker. Most people wait until the pain tries before starting to show their true colours but this one has been doing it from the get go.

Set her free, OP!

Butchyrestingface · 25/10/2019 10:44

*painT dries

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 10:44

A lot of it boils down to the fact I really dislike upsetting people, and she would be really upset - I don't want to hurt her.

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PrincessRaven · 25/10/2019 10:45

You can only be honest here, and tell her, it's not working out because of the issues you list.

Can she do your business damage if she feels it's unfair?

FetchezLaVache · 25/10/2019 10:47

I can't shake the feeling of being unfair to her

'Cos she's being so fair to you, right? You're doing all the work and she's doing very nicely out of it! In fact, with her lack of professionalism and obvious lack of time to commit to the business, she could actually harm your professional reputation. Ditch.

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 10:48

Can she do your business damage if she feels it's unfair?

I don't THINK so. I've been trying to think what she can do, but if anything its very limited.

I guess she could slander the business for future clients, but then she can't get us clients in the first place so I'm not sure how effective her slander would be?

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Gingersstuff · 25/10/2019 10:49

If you’re scared of upsetting someone to the extent that you’re happy to have the absolute piss taken out of you, then perhaps business isn’t for you. You honestly need to grow a pair and get rid of this parasite. She is not your friend, you owe her nothing.

StabMeReapers · 25/10/2019 10:57

Would you consider keeping her as an employee on a commission basis for business brought in and a set fee for her interviewing time?

Though given your description of her unreliability, I’m not sure she’s the best person to conduct the interviews.

Either way, don’t stay in partnership with her and don’t keep splitting profits. That’s daft. She’s not doing the work, isn’t an investor...just crazy.

PrincessHoneysuckle · 25/10/2019 10:59

Nothing to add apart from I'm loving the Clown references

Starlight39 · 25/10/2019 10:59

Definitely get rid of her. You're doing nearly all the actual work and splitting everything 50/50?? Or are you drawing a salary and then splitting the profits over and above that 50/50?

I think you just need to bite the bullet and do it, if she really wanted to run the business she would have given up the clown work so she has made her choice. You have raise it before. Email her if you're worried she'll talk you round. At the moment you're just paying out for someone to do very little and cause you more work! You've made the business a success by yourself so you deserve to keep all the proceeds.

abigailsnan · 25/10/2019 11:01

I would come away from your so called partner and employ someone who you can show what needs to be done paying them a set salary that way the profits will be not be split 50/50 which is very unfair at the minute she is laughing all the way to the bank and at you,she is not a friend in my eyes.

Butchyrestingface · 25/10/2019 11:02

A lot of it boils down to the fact I really dislike upsetting people,

As a fellow small business owner of some 16 years standing (sole trader), in the nicest possible way, you need to get over that pronto.

Because rarely will anyone give a fuck about upsetting you.

rp30 · 25/10/2019 11:07

Meet up with her at a neutral place, such as a spa. Spend some time with her and explain all that you have done and that you are without a salary and splitting the profits equally.

See what she says.

Perhaps she will agree to work at the business full-time, in which case you can both adapt and work together. I think she can be productive in some way.

I'm not sure if the legal situation is that straightforward. If you are both partners, does she not have an equal split? Is there any formality such as LLP, or shares?

If she is not happy to change, look to splitting after a year of it starting (if my understanding is correct that it is 6 months old?) so that she can earn for a while more and it can be more amicable.

I think it is tricky as you didn't know how good she would be, or yourself.