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to ditch my business partner?

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PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 10:17

We met abroad whilst working for the same company in a rather niche job role - I'd rather not disclose it because it'll probably be too revealing, so let's say Clown.

I'd been thinking of setting up a Clown recruitment agency for a while, and the thought had occurred to her too and decided shortly after meeting that we should do it together.

I'd been putting off setting up because I was worried about handling clients (I'm not a sales-type really) and she seemed an ideal partner because of her extreme confidence and charisma. All good.

I immediately started on branding, built a website, built a database blah blah but she kept on putting it off, next month, next month, next month so we didn't end up actually opening until 12 months later.

I left my job at the same time as the business started, and began working FT on it. She said she would hand in her notice.

This was back in May - she is still working FT as a Clown. This means 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week (it's hard work Clowning) that she is at work and not available to contact.

In the meantime, I'm working 12 hours a day Mon-Sat, only 6 or 7 on Sundays - running the agency.

The original plan was that she would be bringing in the Clients - but she has failed to bring in any, all of the clients have found us through the marketing that I've been doing online.

After a couple of months, I got sick of doing all the work so we agreed that she would take on Clown interviews - a client would want a clown, I'd find the candidates, shortlist them, background check them etc etc - and she would conduct the registration interviews - about 20 mins of time but a relief to me, partly because I hate doing them.

Except, I've got to arrange these interviews - around her work schedule, around the clown's current work schedule - and then act as her PA to remind her to take the calls.

She repeatedly is late making the calls, and has actually forgotten entirely more than 6 times - last week a candidate was left waiting 2 hours whilst I was desperately trying to get ahold of BP to make the call.
One time, I arranged 5 calls only to have her ask me to rearrange them 30 mins beforehand because she wanted to go to a party.

She has told me the business is her life and she's constantly promoting it - but we never get new clients from her. She bought in 1 client, once, right at the beginning who was a mutual friend.

Obviously whilst she's working FT she can't work properly for the business anyway, but I don't really see what she can add to the business even if she leaves - she doesn't have the technical knowledge to do any of the online stuff, including marketing, and I don't trust her to do admin properly.
The business makes A LOT more than she makes working as a Clown anyway.
At the moment its all split 50/50 so she's making a fortune doing very little. (I worked out she basically gets about £3,000 for every 20 minute interview the other day)
In fact, a full time Clown Recruitment Consultant would be paid a lot less, and get a lot more done.

But this business was meant to be our baby, and I feel horrifically guilty at the idea of dumping her. I know that she won't understand the reasons why even if I explained, and would make a massive fuss about how I betrayed her - which I guess leaving her would be a betrayal?

I know that business is cold, and harsh etc - but I'm not and I don't want to become that person.

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Chivers53 · 26/10/2019 17:38

Sorry you've read the update, good for you OP.

PenguinBollard · 26/10/2019 21:38

She earns £6k a month in her full-time Clown job, so hopefully she isn't feeling completely desolate - I know she despises the employer and workplace though.

I'm trying hard not to freak myself out now that it's just me, I may have been bringing in all the work but just having her there made it feel less of a responsibility.
Friends and family are very supportive, OH made an excellent point that now I only need to bring in half the business to make the same amount of money.

But quite frankly I'm terrified!
Marketing and sales are my biggest weaknesses, and I can't think what to do to bring in business.

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Butchyrestingface · 26/10/2019 22:15

Marketing and sales are my biggest weaknesses, and I can't think what to do to bring in business.

The pity is that w/o knowing what area of Clowning you’re in, no-one can really advise.

ichifanny · 26/10/2019 22:17

Whatever it is you do I wish I could do it for 6k a month .

Babushkacandle · 26/10/2019 22:43

Well done OP, skill yourself up. Spend the money you we’re giving her on a coach or some training for yourself. Clearly you have been doing the things you day you are unable to- the business is a success and she only brought one client in.

PenguinBollard · 26/10/2019 22:57

I'm enrolling on a variety of courses locally to me.

An SEO course to start with so I can make sure the web stuff is up to scratch, I'm looking at various marketing courses as well.

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HelloYouTwo · 26/10/2019 22:59

Well where did your clients that she didn’t find for you come from? What did you do to get them? Do some more of that! Referrals from satisfied clients? Get testimonials so you can prove to potential new circuses that you’ve got a good track record? Use that marketing strategy that you paid for? Employ a freelancer on a basic rate + commission? Lots of ways to go about it, have faith in yourself!

HelloYouTwo · 26/10/2019 23:01

Don’t be afraid to contact the PRs for publications like Circus Weekly and What Clown? either. Write up a press release and market yourself as the new kid on the block / the people doing it best / fastest / cheapest.

Definitely get the SEO sorted and make sure your website and other channels are all looking good.

Butchyrestingface · 26/10/2019 23:03

Do you have meetup groups for entrepreneurs in your area?

I’m far too shy for that sort of thing myself, mind. 😬

PenguinBollard · 26/10/2019 23:08

Well where did your clients that she didn’t find for you come from? What did you do to get them?

Instagram, bizarrely. Which I've been told is a weird place to get business in this particular industry.

Our target market is High Net Worth Individuals, so they're very elusive and not the easiest to pinpoint.
Social media marketing feels like shouting into the wind half the time, but it has gained some results.

Word of Mouth is incredibly strong in this industry (other agencies have stated they get up to 80% of their business from WOM)

I'm definitely considering hiring an experienced Recruitment Consultant - from all my research, their salary is about £22-26k a year plus commission. I've ensured that there is enough in the business to cover that, even if they bought no work in - as I understand a large part of their job is acquisition - I'm a little concerned that they'll be pissed off i'm not handing them a huge plate of clients to start off with though.

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PenguinBollard · 26/10/2019 23:09

Do you have meetup groups for entrepreneurs in your area?

Yes and I think I need to bite the bullet and go!

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Butchyrestingface · 26/10/2019 23:18

Well, you've certainly made Clowning sound very intriguing on here, so I'm sure you can do likewise to fellow entrepreneurs. Wink

As for the recruitment consultant, could you hire one on a freelance/part-time/short-contract basis?

PenguinBollard · 26/10/2019 23:21

Butchyrestingface

Clowing is AMAZING, hard bloody work but surprisingly glamourous, plenty of 5 * travel.

As for the recruitment consultant, could you hire one on a freelance/part-time/short-contract basis?

Possibly, more research is needed, i have no idea if they work on a freelance basis but it would be handy if they did!

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PenguinBollard · 26/10/2019 23:22

*clowning. I apologise, it's late, and I've been on the computer since 8am so my eyes are all fuzzy

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MrsMozartMkII · 27/10/2019 06:04

i have no idea if they work on a freelance basis but it would be handy if they did!

Worth a look on LinkedIn. I saw an ad recently for an interim HR Recruitment type bod. Not my bag so I didn't read it, but it sounds as though it's worth the ask.

StabMeReapers · 27/10/2019 19:10

I'm a little concerned that they'll be pissed off i'm not handing them a huge plate of clients to start off with though.

You’ve been worrying about your (former) business partner’s reaction. Now you’re worried about someone else’s feelings/expectations..yet no one’s been hired.

Think with a Business hat. And—yes, if this is how you want progress—do consider everyone’s feelings.

But I don’t understand why you’d feel obliged to tell a keen candidate that s/he will have access to leads and will be expected to make her/his own.

MrsMozartMkII · 27/10/2019 21:07

Consider people's feelings for sure, but if you're in business you have to consider many (many)factors, so without squeezing or harming people, do what you need to do to grow the business.

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