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to ditch my business partner?

142 replies

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 10:17

We met abroad whilst working for the same company in a rather niche job role - I'd rather not disclose it because it'll probably be too revealing, so let's say Clown.

I'd been thinking of setting up a Clown recruitment agency for a while, and the thought had occurred to her too and decided shortly after meeting that we should do it together.

I'd been putting off setting up because I was worried about handling clients (I'm not a sales-type really) and she seemed an ideal partner because of her extreme confidence and charisma. All good.

I immediately started on branding, built a website, built a database blah blah but she kept on putting it off, next month, next month, next month so we didn't end up actually opening until 12 months later.

I left my job at the same time as the business started, and began working FT on it. She said she would hand in her notice.

This was back in May - she is still working FT as a Clown. This means 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week (it's hard work Clowning) that she is at work and not available to contact.

In the meantime, I'm working 12 hours a day Mon-Sat, only 6 or 7 on Sundays - running the agency.

The original plan was that she would be bringing in the Clients - but she has failed to bring in any, all of the clients have found us through the marketing that I've been doing online.

After a couple of months, I got sick of doing all the work so we agreed that she would take on Clown interviews - a client would want a clown, I'd find the candidates, shortlist them, background check them etc etc - and she would conduct the registration interviews - about 20 mins of time but a relief to me, partly because I hate doing them.

Except, I've got to arrange these interviews - around her work schedule, around the clown's current work schedule - and then act as her PA to remind her to take the calls.

She repeatedly is late making the calls, and has actually forgotten entirely more than 6 times - last week a candidate was left waiting 2 hours whilst I was desperately trying to get ahold of BP to make the call.
One time, I arranged 5 calls only to have her ask me to rearrange them 30 mins beforehand because she wanted to go to a party.

She has told me the business is her life and she's constantly promoting it - but we never get new clients from her. She bought in 1 client, once, right at the beginning who was a mutual friend.

Obviously whilst she's working FT she can't work properly for the business anyway, but I don't really see what she can add to the business even if she leaves - she doesn't have the technical knowledge to do any of the online stuff, including marketing, and I don't trust her to do admin properly.
The business makes A LOT more than she makes working as a Clown anyway.
At the moment its all split 50/50 so she's making a fortune doing very little. (I worked out she basically gets about £3,000 for every 20 minute interview the other day)
In fact, a full time Clown Recruitment Consultant would be paid a lot less, and get a lot more done.

But this business was meant to be our baby, and I feel horrifically guilty at the idea of dumping her. I know that she won't understand the reasons why even if I explained, and would make a massive fuss about how I betrayed her - which I guess leaving her would be a betrayal?

I know that business is cold, and harsh etc - but I'm not and I don't want to become that person.

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BirthdayCakes · 25/10/2019 14:59

Also nothing to add but love for the clown substitution..

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 15:00

*But without meaning to be blunt, if you aren't confident handling clients, and you don't like doing simple 20 minute phone conversations, recruitment really isn't for you.

It's a people business, you can build the strongest database and have the best marketing strategy but you absolutely have to be confident with clients and with interviewing (I'm saying this as someone with a long career in recruitment)*

@pinkcardi I'd be absolutely thrilled to talk with you via PM as I'm always looking to get info from recruitment experts.

It's true that I don't like doing the candidate interviews - not because I'm frightened to, but because I'm overwhelmed with other administration work, and I find them a little tedious. I have done the interviews myself with no issue, and do enjoy building relationships with our candidates (I do all other candidate contact - speak to most of them daily on WhatsApp and speak to them over the phone for other things) - she has simply taken on the actual registration interviews as a tangible thing she could take from my to do list.

I'm actually a LOT more confident handling clients now than I was.
All of our clients the past 3-4 months have ended up directly liaising with me, business partner was too busy, or had an appointment or thought emails were better written by me (as I'm native English so my written English is obviously better).
I wouldn't have had the confidence to do it before, but I've had to and its not that bad at all - I could definitely do with some training though.

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runoutofnamechanges · 25/10/2019 15:01

I don't really know how to calculate that in terms of billable hours, because it has had no results

If she genuinely has done that work, despite not getting results, you would have to take it into account as a cost to the business if you decide to split profits after each of you have been paid for work done. Some of the tasks you have done also won't have brought in money but you should still be paid for that time. If you get a contact list from her, you will have a good idea of how much work she has really done rather than what she says she has done, if you are going to renegotiate/negotiate dissolving the partnership.

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 15:02

If this is as profitable as you say, I would really consider seeing a solicitor to get advice on the best way to terminate the relationship.

Yes, I will do. I completely agree.

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PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 15:05

@runoutofnamechanges

If she genuinely has done that work, despite not getting results, you would have to take it into account as a cost to the business

Even though we have repeatedly had discussions about her methods being ineffective and have an actual marketing strategy produced especially for us that she has completely ignored?

I'm not disagreeing with you necessarily - its just frustrating to pay someone for time that they have basically wasted. It would be like me claiming hours and hours for time I spent drawing pictures of the ideal Clown for a client, rather than actually going out and finding one. An obvious exaggeration, but the point in there.

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LuluBellaBlue · 25/10/2019 15:07

Many years ago I had to ditch my business partner and she was the most lazy self obsessed person ever - unfortunately it was also filmed by a national tv channel and watched by over 4 million people.

(So basically you’re going to be ok don’t worry!!) Grin

It was the right thing to do though, and had to be done. The only thing I would say is perhaps I could of done it with more love and compassion.
It’s not fair on you and you can’t continue like this, why should you?
Good luck Flowers

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 15:09

@LuluBellaBlue

I'm agog with nosiness about this!

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PuppyMonkey · 25/10/2019 15:10

Well I don’t know about anybody else but I’ve spent the last half hour imagining what “clowns” could be a pseudonym for and professions beginning with C which match what you’ve been describing, OP.

I’m voting childminder. Grin

YANBU, btw.

Clangus00 · 25/10/2019 15:14

Have you messaged her yet?

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 15:17

Have you messaged her yet?

No, not yet.

We have interviews between clients and candidates scheduled this afternoon and I wanted to wait until those were complete - just in case.

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NoraThePessimist · 25/10/2019 15:25

I'm glad you've updated to say you're going to get rid.

If a "friend" asked for 3 grand in exchange for 20 minutes of piss poor work that you also were expected to take on the mental load for, you'd tell them to fuck off. Yet because it's in the guise of a business, that's somehow ok?!? She should be ashamed of her behaviour, if she couldn't commit that's one thing,but she's been sabotaging your efforts!

I hope for your sake she flounces because you don't need "friends" like this piss taker.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 25/10/2019 15:33

Tip a bucket of whitewash over her!

Business relationships between friends often get messy because people assume they don’t need to formally agree things. DH is a property developer and has done projects with friends and has had issues because it is much harder to set a strictly defined working relationship.

runoutofnamechanges · 25/10/2019 15:35

Even though we have repeatedly had discussions about her methods being ineffective and have an actual marketing strategy produced especially for us that she has completely ignored?

Unfortunately, yes, because you are equal partners so she doesn't have to agree with your strategy. It's a good reason not to continue the partnership but if you want to renegotiate splitting the profits 50:50 after deducting the costs of your time going back to day one, you also need to deduct the costs of her time, however unproductive it was. You could have ended the partnership at that point rather than continue knowing that she was wasting her time.

It is still a far better deal for you to do that than splitting everything 50:50 without deducting your time. Realistically, how much time could she have possibly spent even if she contacted every past employer she ever had? It must be far less than she is claiming. Even if she does work every available hour when she is not working or sleeping, it will be a lot less than you. I would just cut your losses, agree a reasonable amount for her time, your time, then split the profits.

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 15:48

@runoutofnamechanges You're right. I'll make sure to include this in the breakup then

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snowbear66 · 25/10/2019 16:05

The only danger is that she will set up a rival business against you, this happened to me with a former employee- her performance so far suggests that she’s not cut out for it though.
I think that you’ve been very fair to her and given her lots of chances.

AFairlyHardAvocado · 25/10/2019 16:07

And try to think that every extra day you don't address this, you're losing money! You can do it, it'll be such a relief when it's done SmileThanks

squeaver · 25/10/2019 16:09

I'm honestly amazed that she can work in her current job while doing this (however much it is) on the side. Isn't it a conflict of interest?

BettyBoozer · 25/10/2019 16:17

You should definitely dissolve the partnership. Maybe tell her that you will pay her a one off referral fee for new clients that she brings in going forward so she still has an incentive to promote your business.

monkeymonkey2010 · 25/10/2019 17:19

At the moment its all split 50/50 so she's making a fortune doing very little. (I worked out she basically gets about £3,000 for every 20 minute interview the other day)

No wonder she gives you the run around and does practically bugger all!
She knows how to play you!

Beveren · 25/10/2019 17:33

To play devil's advocate, I chose to quit my job to pursue the business FT - she may ask why she should be penalised because I quit my job. (Which was actually higher paid than hers, so I had more to lose as it were)

Doesn't work as an argument. Why should she take all the profit from the work you're doing because you ensured you would be available full time?

Redglitter · 25/10/2019 17:53

*Meet up with her at a neutral place, such as a spa.

😂 Only on MN would it be suggested that a contentious business meeting is held at a spa*

You beat me to it. The MN answer to every problem - a spa day 🙄

Winteriscomingfast · 25/10/2019 18:21

If you are working for the business and she is not then pay your a salary. The profit can then be split after expense including salary. When she works she also gets an hourly rate.

PenguinBollard · 25/10/2019 18:25

The interviews have been done, the Client is being a pain but if I waiting for that to resolve I'd be waiting weeks so I guess now is the time to message BP.
I'm getting cold feet about it though.
Even though she didn't really contribute, her just being a part of the business made it feel safer somehow.

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Clangus00 · 25/10/2019 18:31

Good luck!!

StabMeReapers · 25/10/2019 18:35

Absolutely. I wouldn't want to fleece her.

Well I think you’ve proven that for the last six months! Hmm

If you’re getting cold feet, snap out of it. Or read your thread again. You simply cannot continue paying this woman 50% of profits that she’s not earning. It really is madness.