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UK Family detained in USA after accidentally driving in from Canada

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PrincessRaven · 16/10/2019 07:48

Two members of British family arrested after 'swerving to miss an animal and accidentally driving from Canada into America' had previously been denied entry to the US, border officials reveal.

The family said they blundered into Washington state while trying to avoid an animal in the road on the Canadian side and have since been 'treated like criminals' by their US jailers.

They say they have been subjected to filthy conditions in the Berks Detention Center in Leesport, Pennsylvania, since October 5.

The agency said that border agents tried returning the family to Canada, but Canada refused to have them back. After making two attempts to contact British consular officials, the border patrol said it turned the family over to U.S. immigration officials for removal proceedings.

It comes after footage emerged from Eileen's Instagram account appearing to show the couple travelling at speeds of up to 170kph (105mph) near the Canadian border.

Relatives back in Surrey say they are sick with worry and fear for Eileen in particular who is growing weak with hunger and stress.

Eileen is sharing a small room with her baby son, Grace and the twins and is too frightened to venture out other than to phone home and eat a meagre breakfast.

'At the moment Eileen is sleeping in a small room with Grace and the children.

'When I speak to her she sounds calm but I think that's an act to make sure the kids are ok.

'Inside she's absolutely terrified. She spends most of the time in the room with Tommy because she's scared to venture out.

They were staying in Vancouver and had gone into the surrounding countryside to go fishing.

'They were on their way back when Michael swerved to avoid a large animal, a moose I think, and ended up on a country road which led across the border.

'The first they actually knew they'd gone into the States was when they'd actually turned around and were heading back when they were surrounded by police vehicles.

David and Michael were taken to a detention centre in Washington while Eileen and Grace and the kids were put up in a budget hotel nearby.

'The immigration people stayed with them throughout, wouldn't let them make any calls and told them nothing about what was happening.

'They were there for two days before they were all reunited again at an airport near Seattle. For some reason they were flown to Chicago and then had a connecting flight to New York where they were driven to Pennsylvaniana.

It's all a bit odd, how do you accidentally drive over the border so far that the border force pick you up? (Never been to Vancouver)

Why wouldn't Canada let them back in?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/15/british-family-claim-us-officials-kidnapped-accidentally-straying

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/15/eileen-connors-british-family-ice-vacation-detention/

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snowball28 · 16/10/2019 11:56

If my kids are in their salwar kameez with their dark hair and eyes I’m not screaming racist at someone that makes the reasonable assumption they have are from the Asian ethnic grouping FFS.

Agreed. I wouldn’t be offended or think racism if someone took one look at my dark haired, dark eyed daughter dressed in her cheongsam she often wears for Chinese New Year and presume she’s East Asian/Chinese surely that’s just logic lol?

ChicCroissant · 16/10/2019 12:00

The family's story is clearly a load of rubbish.

loooosir · 16/10/2019 12:03

Agreed. I wouldn’t be offended or think racism if someone took one look at my dark haired, dark eyed daughter dressed in her cheongsam she often wears for Chinese New Year and presume she’s East Asian/Chinese surely that’s just logic lol?
Completely.

But then attributing negative connotations to that is racist.

Somerville · 16/10/2019 12:04

Peridot1
People can tell I’m Irish when they see me on holiday too. That is not the same thing as labelling someone as an Irish Traveller from a press report - with all the discrimination and stereotypes that their ethnic group attracts. There were comments on this thread that they weren’t really British, that they tarmac driveways, etc... You may have meant it as entirely neutral speculation but other people did not.

Rainbunny · 16/10/2019 12:05

Well the miserable detention is part of the deterrent in US immigration policy, not just for the family themselves but to any others who might try something similar. That said, this kind of situation resulting in prolonged detention doesn't happen that often, most of the time the people are returned to Canada but the circumstance here are unique in that Canada wouldn't accept them back in their country. This news story quotes an immigration lawyer:

"Len Saunders, an immigration lawyer based in Blaine, Wash., says if someone accidentally crosses the border, officials will often try to send them back. It could takes weeks to months to work through the process of deporting a group back to the U.K., he added. "At these facilities, there's immigration judges. The whole system is backlogged," Saunders said."They may not be back in the U.K. ... until the New Year."

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/uk-tourists-arrested-entering-us-illegally-1.5321656

snowball28 · 16/10/2019 12:07

But then attributing negative connotations to that is racist.

Absolutely!

Xenia · 16/10/2019 12:09

Interesting issue - is it racist to guess a person's place of origin or roots? Eg I live in an area probably with the most Indians in London and although none of us put each other into little boxes obviously you look at someone and know they are from India or Pakistan. Or some local women even white ones are muslim and cover their heads and as part of being a normal human being you look at those and decide they are muslim just as you look at men and women old and young and see them and make sensible assumptions about them . None of that is racist.

These people have chosen to wear certain kinds of clothes and look a particular way - they could look like I do (other than dress) as we have more Scottish and Irish ancestors than English or about 50/50.

There are strict rules about taking a lot of cash abroad and it is never wise so if the reports they had $160000 (US) with them in Canada are right that is a very very big red flag particularly if they were banned already from entering the USA.

Xenia · 16/10/2019 12:09

($16,000..)

FrancisCrawford · 16/10/2019 12:09

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Xenia · 16/10/2019 12:10

The fact they have the Connors surname combined with the looks means it is a fair assumption.

Somerville · 16/10/2019 12:11

But then attributing negative connotations to that is racist.

Exactly. It’s like the people in my village who have noticed that our new neighbours are of Persian heritage and are going around muttering about having Islamists next door Hmm

Judge these arrested people on what we know of their behaviour. Not based on their (perceived) ethnicity.

Ritascornershop · 16/10/2019 12:11

I haven’t rtwt, but there are no moose in the Vancouver-Fraser Valley area Hmm

And presumably we (Canada) would not have them back as if they were trying to sneak into America they might also try to overstay their welcome here.

AlanThePig · 16/10/2019 12:19

Assume Canada don't want them back as they don't want them disappearing within the country now they can't disappear within the USA.

NoCauseRebel · 16/10/2019 12:19

They were previously denied entry to the US. There is therefore a reason why. Criminal records perhaps or perceived risk to security for instance. It only takes someone having a record to deny them entry, and that’s any crime not just specific ones.

Also, people saying they’ve accidentally driven from Wales into England or one county to another that is not remotely comparable because we don’t have actual border patrols between the countries of the UK in the same way they do between the US and Canada.

But I imagine that it’ll all come out in time. Although I’m afraid that they’ll probably end up being sent back to the UK where the media will turn them into reality TV stars .

DGRossetti · 16/10/2019 12:20

Interesting issue - is it racist to guess a person's place of origin or roots?

If it is, I've suffered it for years, with a clearly non-English surname.

If anything it's been a boon, as it gets asked ahead of anything else and gives me a chance to demonstrate any "people skills" I might need to plug in interviews.

DS has a double advantage with his name Grin

SoupDragon · 16/10/2019 12:20

Bit fucking cheeky being all following the book over this when they're quite happy to protect an American who left a British kid lying in the road. hmm

They are "following the book" in both those incidences.

Ostanovka · 16/10/2019 12:21

The attorney doesn't sound very helpful - stating that as UK citizens they were entitled to enter USA without a visa! Not as straight forward as that.

BlueJava · 16/10/2019 12:22

Their story sounds rubbish - they were trying to enter the US (as they have tried before).

It's like being found by the police after someone has broken into a house and going "Sorry m'lud I tripped over in the street and landed in this house where I was just admiring the jewellery". Cobblers.

SoupDragon · 16/10/2019 12:26

I was in no way derogatory about the traveller community!!

You absolutely were in one. You attributed actions/intent to them based on them being travellers and attribute those actions/intent to the community in general.

FrancisCrawford · 16/10/2019 12:28

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Somerville · 16/10/2019 12:29

there are no moose in the Vancouver-Fraser Valley area

Really?! Lol, maybe it was a unicorn after all Grin

fruitinaheapisnotabirthdaycake · 16/10/2019 12:38

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zebrasdontwearbras · 16/10/2019 12:42

Somerville, you find those unicorns all over the place now Grin

I think it's appalling that they're keeping people in those awful conditions - I don't care what they've done. You don't treat families with babies like that.

Somerville · 16/10/2019 12:42

fruitinaheapisnotabirthdaycake

Have you not read Hebe’s message or is it that you’re wanting to be kicked off MN?

Jaxhog · 16/10/2019 12:45

there are no moose in the Vancouver-Fraser Valley area

You'd have to smoke a lot of pot to see moose anywhere near there!!