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UK Family detained in USA after accidentally driving in from Canada

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PrincessRaven · 16/10/2019 07:48

Two members of British family arrested after 'swerving to miss an animal and accidentally driving from Canada into America' had previously been denied entry to the US, border officials reveal.

The family said they blundered into Washington state while trying to avoid an animal in the road on the Canadian side and have since been 'treated like criminals' by their US jailers.

They say they have been subjected to filthy conditions in the Berks Detention Center in Leesport, Pennsylvania, since October 5.

The agency said that border agents tried returning the family to Canada, but Canada refused to have them back. After making two attempts to contact British consular officials, the border patrol said it turned the family over to U.S. immigration officials for removal proceedings.

It comes after footage emerged from Eileen's Instagram account appearing to show the couple travelling at speeds of up to 170kph (105mph) near the Canadian border.

Relatives back in Surrey say they are sick with worry and fear for Eileen in particular who is growing weak with hunger and stress.

Eileen is sharing a small room with her baby son, Grace and the twins and is too frightened to venture out other than to phone home and eat a meagre breakfast.

'At the moment Eileen is sleeping in a small room with Grace and the children.

'When I speak to her she sounds calm but I think that's an act to make sure the kids are ok.

'Inside she's absolutely terrified. She spends most of the time in the room with Tommy because she's scared to venture out.

They were staying in Vancouver and had gone into the surrounding countryside to go fishing.

'They were on their way back when Michael swerved to avoid a large animal, a moose I think, and ended up on a country road which led across the border.

'The first they actually knew they'd gone into the States was when they'd actually turned around and were heading back when they were surrounded by police vehicles.

David and Michael were taken to a detention centre in Washington while Eileen and Grace and the kids were put up in a budget hotel nearby.

'The immigration people stayed with them throughout, wouldn't let them make any calls and told them nothing about what was happening.

'They were there for two days before they were all reunited again at an airport near Seattle. For some reason they were flown to Chicago and then had a connecting flight to New York where they were driven to Pennsylvaniana.

It's all a bit odd, how do you accidentally drive over the border so far that the border force pick you up? (Never been to Vancouver)

Why wouldn't Canada let them back in?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/15/british-family-claim-us-officials-kidnapped-accidentally-straying

www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/15/eileen-connors-british-family-ice-vacation-detention/

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BrassTactical · 16/10/2019 10:17

The ethnic group isn’t British thing I agree with. That is racist. My kids are British despite having a non traditionally British surname.

A behaviour being typical of an ethnic group I disagree with. Not all people in that ethnic group fall within the typical behaviour but statistically groups exist because of shared behaviour among the majority.

We have to accept that while some fall outside the whole, stereotypes and statistics exist for a data driven reason.

Is it racist to say it is a fact if someone is going to blow up a plane they are statistically more likely to be brown and if someone is going to shoot up a school they are statistically more likely to be white. That a rapist is more likely to be male, that a Brexiteer is more likely to be privileged older generation... and on and on.

Doesn’t mean all brown or white people or male or old people do those things. It’s just data driven fact. Being woke and never mentioning anything is just a whitewash of actual life.

loooosir · 16/10/2019 10:18

CarolDanvers The reports don't mention they're travellers. Posters have decided they 'obviously are', and aren't real British citizens, due to stereotypes. And they attributed stereotypical beliefs and attitudes on to them, while deriding them.

I agree they're clearly twits. But I don't seek to attribute their twittish behaviour to their possible (but totally unconfirmed) membership of a minority group. Because I'm not a racist.

OrchidInTheSun · 16/10/2019 10:19

I had absolutely no idea they were travellers. My comments were not veiled racism of any kind.

SoupDragon · 16/10/2019 10:19

Saying that they will definitely have crossed the border illegally and disappeared because they are/look like travellers is racist.

Juells · 16/10/2019 10:21

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loooosir · 16/10/2019 10:23

OrchidInTheSun I don't think you did make any racist comments. You just commented that they're clearly a bit thick, which is valid!

Other posters attaching that attribute to their ethnic group is what is racist.

They're clearly idiots. But they're British idiots, we have them too (running the country, it appears). Trying to other our idiots because they may belong to a minority group isn't on.

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loooosir · 16/10/2019 10:24

Juells- you know this family well, do you?

fruitinaheapisnotabirthdaycake · 16/10/2019 10:27

@Juells
😂

Xenia · 16/10/2019 10:28

It is hard to tell from the press what has gone on. There may be more to this than is clear. I don't know if they are from the same Connors family who have been in the press a fair bit or not.

Genevieva · 16/10/2019 10:28

Some interesting observations Brass. Insurance companies and the police make statistical judgements about people based on demographic data all the time. British passport holders visit the US every day, so we have to assume the US authorities had reasons for denying two members of this group a visitor visa. It might be that they were deemed to be statistically problematic, or it might be that they had an old criminal conviction. No doubt the truth will out.

Whatever the reason, it would appear that they planned to go on holiday to the US anyway. Coming from Europe, where international borders are largely invisible, they naïvely thought that no one would notice them entering the country and that, if they were spotted, they could make up a story about swerving to avoid a wild animal and the boarder forces would happily send them back to Canada.

fruitinaheapisnotabirthdaycake · 16/10/2019 10:29

I am Irish living in Britain ( not an Irish traveller though) @Juells comment is not offensive at all ( to me anyway)

Genevieva · 16/10/2019 10:35

border not boarder!

It hadn't occurred to me that they were Travellers before reading this thread. I know they have different cultural values. There used to be travellers camped near the local public leisure centre. There were some serious problems, but I remember a few of boys aged about 10 used to sneak in to enjoy the pool. They weren't registered in school and they had nothing else to do all day. They got found out after stealing my purse. It wasn't a great choice of purse as it only had £10, which they took and left het purse and cards under a bush. I felt desperately sorry for them when they were chases down by security and found myself offering to pay for them to go swimming, but the management wouldn't let them in after that.

CarolDanvers · 16/10/2019 10:37

@BrassTactical

Really good post. You said what I was trying to but I am nowhere near articulate enough.

Juells · 16/10/2019 10:37

This is the next town to where I grew up
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/rathkeale-a-small-irish-town-swollen-by-the-proceeds-of-crime-a6904141.html

Rural Ireland is not like England or Wales, the population is very small, and towns are very small.

Dyrne · 16/10/2019 10:38

I do think it’s a shame that the only time Travellers reach the public eye is because of shitty behaviour. Because it’s the only exposure a lot of the British public get to Traveller culture. So the impression is Perhaps given that ALL travellers are like that.

I don’t know what the solution is though. Because “Lots of people are keeping their heads down and quietly getting on with their lives” doesn’t really make good news Grin

I hadn’t pegged them as Travellers btw. I’d pegged them as twats, but that’s because of their behaviour, not because of their background!

wowfudge · 16/10/2019 10:40

If they are British citizens and were previously refused ESTA visa waivers for entry into the US then that strongly implies that either there is a criminal background or that they failed to complete the application form(s) satisfactorily.

There is more to this story, I agree.

Juells · 16/10/2019 10:41

I agree they're clearly twits. But I don't seek to attribute their twittish behaviour to their possible (but totally unconfirmed) membership of a minority group. Because I'm not a racist.

They're not twits at all, and nobody thinks there's any foolishness connected to being a member of the traveller community. Quite the reverse.

Sarahandco · 16/10/2019 10:42

Who goes fishing with 3 kids and 16K

FrancisCrawford · 16/10/2019 10:43

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 16/10/2019 10:45

Fishing is expensive in the USA, I guess?

wowfudge · 16/10/2019 10:45

The fact they haven't been simply repatriated to the UK means there is something else going on.

Andysbestadventure · 16/10/2019 10:46

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Verily1 · 16/10/2019 10:47

What is the nationality of the brother and his wife and dcs?

Seems odd they are missing from the story.

CarolDanvers · 16/10/2019 10:48

Please don’t make sweeping judgements about others.

I'll regulate myself thanks @FrancisCrawford. But thanks for letting me know I was wrong about you Smile