To feel pleased to read about the death of a paedophile in prison.

[EllebellyBeeblebrox]

I have to admit when I read about the death of Richard Huckle it was quite literally the best news I've heard for weeks. Im not usually a death penalty advocate but this genuinely feels like justice to me.

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Hope his innocent victims are feeling some closure and relief today.

My DF was crippled when he was unlucky enough to walk in on a bank robbery in progress. The scum that did it were arrested within the hour as the police were watching their "safe" house (sadly they didn't know what the "job" was) in 1977. I was 11 and all excited to have gotten a Silver Jubilee coin from the school PTA. Came home to chaos.

The criminal masterminds behind this decided to try exactly the same job when they were released in 1989. Only this time the police were waiting, and the fucking morons ignored "Armed police" and managed to get themselves all shot as a result.

Mysteriously my DF didn't magically get his health back, and my brothers and I never got our "old" DF back either.

Which is why I am deeply opposed to the death penalty and vigilante justice. It certainly doesn't help the victims, or their families. Or at least it didn't help ours.

(Just for illustration as to how evil these criminals were, when the police challenged them, one started running, and was clearly going to take a woman pushing a pram hostage. Unfortunately for him, the police marksman was faster although he ended up dying of a gut wound.).

I am sorry NameChange that must have been so awful.

I'm conflicted I'm pleased we are not wasting time feeding and housing scum like this but murders are not a cause for celebration and in prison they are cause for concern

I was abused as a child. I wouldn’t feel relief or peace if I heard my abuser died or was murdered. It changes nothing for me. The damage is already done. I definitely don’t want to live in a society that ignores or celebrates murder of anyone, evil or not.

Which is why I am deeply opposed to the death penalty and vigilante justice.

The one thing is does though is remove the criminal from "circulation" - which in the case of our justice system, they'd be back in; a danger to others after s few years.

Not saddened by his death at all but it’s always worrying when anyone is murdered behind bars. Whatever suffering he went through when he died pales into insignificance to what all of his many victims have been through but I hope his death is some kind of comfort to them.

A child abuser is an ongoing danger who is not likely to be incarcerated for life (real life) so this prevents many more potential crimes and victims.

I remember hearing the news (in 1989), and then my DM saying she'd heard it on the radio too. Shortly afterwards, one of the policemen on my DFs original case (he had to go to court and give evidence in the 1977 case - it was his injuries that got them banged up for 12 years, of which they served every single day) rang her, and filled in the blanks.

I know there's a general downer on casting aspersions on peoples intelligence, and character, but the foursome that did my DF were pure evil and morons too boot. One of the pieces of evidence that got them their sentence was the fact that all of them were carrying sawn-off shotguns, all of which were in perfect working order (and had been fired to test them before they carried out the robbery). As the officer that we saw a lot of during the trial said, DF was "lucky" they cracked his skull (forcing bone into the brain) when they would just as easily have shot him.

When they were challenged by police in 1989, they tried to shoot their way out, but it seems police training is faster.

Anyway, my point stands - vengeance, revenge - call it what you will, doesn't help the victims.

The one thing is does though is remove the criminal from "circulation" - which in the case of our justice system, they'd be back in; a danger to others after s few years.

Well, only if you get it right first time. Get it wrong (Timothy Evans anyone ?) and you just perpetuate the original crime.

That's before you also consider that executing the wrong person (again, Timothy Evans anyone ?) also leaves a real killer to kill again (as it did with Christies final victims, kill after Evans was hanged, when the police had "solved" the case).

So there are actually practical reasons for opposing the death penalty, as well as snowflake ones.

namechange but as the pp said it may not have helped you but if someone had bumped off those scumbags in prison then the ‘pregnant woman’ you mention and her family wouldn’t be dealing with the same trauma as your family.

I don't think it reflects very well to feel joy or delight over a violent death or the state of the prison system. It's no loss to me and I don't feel sad to hear he's died specifically but upon seeing the news this morning mainly I just felt refreshed upset for the victims and appalled that he was able to do what he was doing freely over such a period of time and to that extent. Baying for blood isn't going to help anyone - each to their own, a sense of victim focused 'justice' or closure maybe, but delight, joyand celebration- nah. I save those for events not tinged with blood and horror.

JamieVardy - indeed. This was a high security prison. Richard Huckle will almost certainly have been flagged as a potential victim to people who might wish a paedophile dead. That this could happen, to someone the establishment was likely already aware of as a potential victim, is quite worrying, though not surprising.

I have worked in several prisons. The most recent was pretty awful to be honest (think rats, cockroaches, pigeons, drugs (loads of drugs), the lot....) Often times officers on the wing didn't know where prisoners were and didn't seem to care. I used to think "why don't you care that you don't know where he is? He could be climbing over the wall, dead, or killing himself somewhere right now". There were frequent mistakes when people who shouldn't be allowed to mix, mixed. There were occasions where prisoners were in other people's cells, probably buying drugs etc.. but you knew one was really vulnerable and the other likely preying on them.

The state of the prison service is atrocious. Officers generally do their best, but there simply are not enough of them, and many officers we do have, lack experience. We can blame the government for the demise of our prisons.

TodaysNameChange If they had been killed in prison after what they'd done the first time then no-one thereafter would have had to suffer because of them.

He’s dead, he’s never going to suffer or feel any pain. Its a relief that he will never be able to reoffend but he should be suffering.

While it might be comforting to think a prisoner got rid of a paedophile for the good of society it might well be the case it was another sex offender who killed him anyway, for reasons other than righteous anger at a predatory scumbag.
We don’t have the death penalty in the UK. No one should be handing that penalty out in prisons on their own initiative.
But good riddance anyway.

I think it’s possible to disapprove of this murder and not be the least bit sorry about it either.

I'm delighted he is unable to hurt anyone else again, his numerous crimes were absolutely awful and he created hundreds of victims.

Yes, it's terrible a violent murder was able to take place in prison. He most likely died a horrible death.

Such a shame.

@EllebellyBeeblebrox

Conflicted of course. The charge will be murder and the sentence "life imprisonment". There cannot be many suspects ...

YABVU. I always find this kind of talk sickening

Can we be sure that armed and violent inmates will only ever kill serial rapists whose deaths we don't mourn?
Yes. The prison officers probably turned a blind eye. I know I would have.

Sorry but YABU,

No good has come from this except that he cannot commit again (which he could not anyway).

The abuse has already been committed so this murder achieves nothing.

There may be more victims out there who were yet to get justice (not revenge or vindication which is different).

He should have rotted in that prison rather than this easy way out - so no real vindication or even rehabilitation anyway.

This shows the lack of security at our prisons which is really concerning- whichever way you look at it.

I don’t believe the State can ever condone murder - whoever is being murdered. Condoning that just turns us into a lawless state. An eye for an eye and the world will soon be blind etc

I think to feal pleased about anyones death is sick. You don't know what happened in the mans life to make him become a peadaphile in the first place. (two wrongs do not make a right.)

I think to feal pleased about anyones death is sick.

Hmm, well fair enough. Some people will and others won't. I can't think of any reason why anyone should feel anything but pleased that someone quite so sick has been removed from society on a permanent basis.

Did you read what he did?

You don't know what happened in the mans life to make him become a peadaphile in the first place

Oh come on . Let's not make excuses and be paedophile apologists. Seriously. It's absolute bollocks. You say it's sick to be pleased about someone's death? It's even sicker to offer a possibility that being an absolutely evil monster is not his fault.

. (two wrongs do not make a right.)

No they do not, so if that is your stance regarding his death, why is it not also your stance when it comes to him being a paedophile