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BUTTER is the business

255 replies

Rocktheboot · 14/10/2019 08:08

Thanks to Highfields I have rediscovered the joy of butter this weekend. Toast is DELICIOUS with butter instead of flora on it. Am thinking cupcakes will be twice as nice.

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TemporaryPermanent · 14/10/2019 14:14

Great post feckoff even though I disagree.

Corn on the cob with butter. Come on.

Glad to know about Kerrygold, I will choose positively from now on.

Juells · 14/10/2019 14:15

Ugh, I hate getting into this, but womanhood has come to mean more culturally and psychologically than just biology.

To whom? Who are these people who think the word 'woman' can mean anything? Do you think the Yazidi sex slaves would have been able to identify out of being raped?

You're getting dangerously close to the territory where men refer to surrogate mothers as 'carriers', low status animals only good for breeding purposes.

Are women not allowed to have any respect at all? Back to being chattels whose only value is in their use to men?

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2019 14:16

You didn't really make an argument though, to be fair Smile if you can't define this alternative definition of woman you don't really have one. All views are not equally valid, but you are of course entitled to your unfounded opinion.

This is me being nice Grin

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2019 14:18

Baked potato with lots and lots of lovely butter (Lidl) for dinner I think!

FeckOffGraham · 14/10/2019 14:22

To whom?

Well, to me. Sorry, I probably should have said "imo" there to make that clear.

I don't think I am getting close to what you describe about women being chattel or being referred to 'carriers' at all. Pregnancy is a separate issue to motherhood, to me at least.

@Erishkigal

Ah that was short lived niceness Grin! But I appreciate it nonetheless.

I did try to define it, but not all that eloquently I'm afraid... Have you seen the movie I mentioned? Do you get what I mean about motherhood? I wrote an essay on gender identity in film at university... maybe I should dig it out and post it, but you'd definitely find it boring and bloody long, so maybe not...

It's fine that you don't agree with me and I don't agree with you. I'm also fine with that.

GoodForFlora · 14/10/2019 14:23

Butter is for Bigots.

ErrolTheDragon · 14/10/2019 14:27

Butter, and/or olive oil.

At the moment we're having a phase of making sort-of hummus as a spread instead of default lunch/snack of too much bread, butter and cheese - just blend lemon juice, olive oil and a bit of sesame oil (garlic if I CBA) and half a can of drained chick peas then gradually add the rest of them.

Or nut butters (palm oil free brands, obv).

There are so many nice, natural foods.

FeckOffGraham · 14/10/2019 14:31

Excellent point about hummus! YY!

So glad Flora have revealed themselves to be utter arsewipes. I really appreciate the (much nicer) alternatives now. Why was I eating that filth? Ugh.

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2019 14:33

Do you get what I mean about motherhood?

I'm really not sure why motherhood is relevant to this. One can be an adoptive mother or "mother" someone which is a metaphor referring to nurturing them. It doesn't mean you actually have given birth to them.

Can you define your alternative version of womanhood? Why would a male person be considered a woman, in your view? Rather than a different sort of man?

I've never once had a rational answer to this question. I look forward to hearing one. I don't consider "because they say they are" a rational answer, and if you did believe that, you would have no logical grounds for retaining female spaces. So I assume you don't.

DamonSalvatoresDinner · 14/10/2019 14:33

My children are butter snobs. Real butter only in this house. They got the dislike of margarine from me.
I find the only thing margarine is good for is budget baking. That's all it's good for. It's horrible plastic stuff. And now I will find a Flora/Stork alternative for even that.

SIL tries all the time to trick my kids by putting margarine (Flora usually) on their sandwiches which usually ends up with them eating them whilst grimacing but trying to stay polite. She thinks she's being smart but we all know she's not touched the butter I buy (we visit for a few days at a time and I provide the food) and that nasty slimy shit is ruining the fresh crusty bread sandwiches. Envy (not envy)
The kids do tell her and she says they're talking rubbish and it's all in their head. There's no difference apparently.

SafetyAdvice0FeedWhenAgitated · 14/10/2019 14:36

Lard for baking.... Oooooh.

ToPlanZ · 14/10/2019 14:38

Small amounts of butter for me as I'm a fatty with cholesterol issues, definitely no marge and certainly no flora ever in my house.

Got no issue with people choosing their gender identity, freedom of expression is just fine by me. However at the end of the day biological sex is irrevocable and cannot be altered. Apart from rare inter sex conditions we are all either biologically male or biologically female. Simple scientific fact. Perceptions of gender, motherhood, feminity, masculinity may be fascinating, intricate and involving but they do not change or outweigh those facts.

For flora to boycott a site where people (mainly women so they probably think it's fine to trample us down) state facts and their subsequent concerns at how this is eroding women's rights and safety is disgusting. A bit like their Marge.

SafetyAdvice0FeedWhenAgitated · 14/10/2019 14:38

Marg are just whisked up and stiffened oils😷

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2019 14:40

Someone on another thread said you can make a good spread by mixing butter with olive oil and sticking it in the fridge.

FeckOffGraham · 14/10/2019 14:43

I'm really not sure why motherhood is relevant to this. One can be an adoptive mother or "mother" someone which is a metaphor referring to nurturing them. It doesn't mean you actually have given birth to them.

Yes, exactly this re motherhood.

Can you define your alternative version of womanhood? Why would a male person be considered a woman, in your view? Rather than a different sort of man?

So, if you're walking down the street and you see a woman, how do you know she is a woman? Do you have a look up her skirt to see if she has the right bits (rhetorical question - of course you don't)? But you can still identify a woman. So for me, this indicates a cultural identity which is more than purely the presence or absence of the right body parts.

Maybe you disagree with this and rail against this sort of identification. But then, how do you know what you do or wear every day, as a woman, (I'm assuming you are one sorry), is not in some way guided by this identity which you may have taken on subconsciously. What if someone without a vagina has, for some reason, done the same? To them, they are a woman or girl and they find being referred to as a man or boy distressing. Same goes for trans men, but the other way round, obviously.

This is my opinion. You may not, and probably do not, agree, of course.

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2019 14:44

Perceptions of gender, motherhood, feminity, masculinity may be fascinating, intricate and involving but they do not change or outweigh those facts.

Yes. And giving this intellectual navel gazing equal weight to the biological reality of being female/male is harming women's sexual-based rights and feeding an agenda which is harming children.

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2019 14:49

I'm female. That is the only relevant thing about me being a woman. Which stereotypes define womanhood, otherwise? Actual men who identify as men sometimes get mistaken for women, and vice versa. That is because we often expect the sexes to look a certain way. That's stereotypes for you. It tells us nothing except that people are prone to making assumptions. Mostly those assumptions turn out to be correct. But not always.

TheChampagneGalop · 14/10/2019 14:49

I can't believe no one has mentioned scones yet. Imagine scones with margarine. No. Butter.

FeckOffGraham · 14/10/2019 14:50

Women's rights, it shouldn't even need to be said, need to be defended. But thay does not give people free licence to be transphobic. Women's rights can be defended while also making room for trans rights. It isn't a limited pot of rights which might run out at any given moment.

Obviously, this is fairly new ground; trans issues have only recently started being frequently discussed in the mainstream media and forums. We are finding our way through it as a society and it will probably take time.

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2019 14:51

Ooh no, but I believe some heathens go straight to the jam and cream without any butter or butter aping substance...

FeckOffGraham · 14/10/2019 14:52

Off on school run now, so may not respond for a bit.

Jesus champagne, I seriously just gagged at the thought of flora on a scone. I may have to leave this thread for my own health and I don't mean because of the robust discussion 😂.

🤢🖕 Flora.

TheCakeCrusader · 14/10/2019 14:53

Love BUTTER! Smile

Ereshkigal · 14/10/2019 14:54

Women's rights can be defended while also making room for trans rights. It isn't a limited pot of rights which might run out at any given moment.

That clearly depends on how you define those two sets of rights. If I believe I have the right as a woman to not have to shower in front of a male person, and a male person who believes they are a woman believes that they shouldn't be "othered" by having to use a different shower to women, then it clearly is a zero sum game. Whose "rights" should prevail?

GothMummy · 14/10/2019 14:55

We only have butter now. Marge on toast is just not worth the calories. I do keep Aldi's spreadable version of Lurpak in for packed lunch sandwiches though. I'm not buying Clover, Flora etc any more because of Palm Oil.

pelirocco123 · 14/10/2019 14:57

butter with sea salt crystals is the way to go