To complain about this man in the women's loos?

[FairfaxAikman]

In the supermarket and had to nip to the loo with toddler DS in tow.
After finishing up in the cubicle I open up the door to come fact to face with a male member of staff.
I'm aware they need to clean the loos, but AIBU to think he should have announced himself before entering so it wasn't such a shock or people could object?
No sign on the main door either (as I've seen elsewhere) so women entering would be unaware.
Should I mention it to customer services?

I suppose he should really have called out an alert, but really, he was just doing his job.

This wouldn't bother me at all and I don't see the issue. I certainly wouldn't complain about him and endanger his job. I assume he didn't actually approach you in any way and he wasn't wandering about with his plonker hanging out of his trousers.

When it is a male cleaner at our workplace, he shouts to alert anyone in the toilets, and waits to come in to clean until any women in there have left. I would expect a woman cleaning the men's toilets to show the men the same courtesy.

How the hell would that work in the massive toilets at an airport, service station etc?

Where is the cut off. 5 cubicles, 10, 20?

Toilets need cleaning. People clean them. Unless they are trying to get in the cubicle with you it’s a total non issue

It's a bit of a misnomer given that it's generally understood to be some that isn't interested in actually furthering men's rights and addressing important issues like suicide prevalence, toxic masculinity, and the blockers for men in 'caring' roles (although I suppose they're all connected), but instead about telling women that they're 'hairy legged feminists' for daring to want equality and informing us all that women are actually the most privileged class of people because we have sex appeal that they can't resist so we're all manipulative sluts. Or something to that effect.

Based on it's usage, I thought a MRA was a man who is making some point or argument that a woman doesn't agree with. For example, if a man questions whether there was sufficient evidence to prove that Ched Evans committed rape, then he is being a MRA.

Anyway, both male and female members of staff should announce themselves before walking in to an opposite sex toilet. I wouldn't want to be standing at the stall when a female cleaner walks in, either.

It would be appropriate and sensible for them to have one of those signs stating that the facilities may be cleaned by a male staff member. Perfectly reasonable to ask them to do that. Best all round. Better for him not to have to be exposed to women who weren't aware he might be present too.

I agree with wellbutter

I was just coming on to say that but they beat me to it

I walked into (the signposted ladies) loo in my local Waitrose supermarket the other day only to hear a male voice obviously having a phone conversation. I quickly checked I had gone into the right room when he hastily ended his call with "got to go mate, I'll call you back" then proceeded to have a very noisy shit.

Feeling uncomfortable and not wanting to use one of the remaining two empty cubicles I waited outside until he came out. I asked him if he realised he'd been in the ladies to which he laughed and said "oh was I?"

An elderly lady, who had also chosen to wait outside after I'd told her why I was waiting, commended me for being brave enough to say something to him, but he could not have cared less.

Male cleaners should announce themselves. And all other men should use the male toilets.

YANBU

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis appears to be one of our new kind of posters from across the pond who have joined to put women in their place over the transgender issue

Lol! Er, no. I've been a regular MNer for years. Nice try though, epic in fact. Seriously, can't be assed with the level of fucking batshittery these type of threads attract anymore. Here have a

Based on it's usage, I thought a MRA was a man who is making some point or argument that a woman doesn't agree with. For example, if a man questions whether there was sufficient evidence to prove that Ched Evans committed rape, then he is being a MRA.

Let's not derail with personal issues. Posters on FWR have their reasons for believing the MRA label is applicable to you on the basis of your posts and that is their prerogative. Whether it is a fair descriptor or not is irrelevant to the purpose of this thread.

Oh that makes sense. I wondered what was going on with his English.

Why am I a male? What's with the his? Is it because I don't mind a male cleaner? Even though I said I would double take at first, or I would start to have a problem with him trying to get in the cubicle with me?
Or is it because I laughed at the MRA comment being thrown out by a couple of pages in (quite a record) and didn't just ignore....
Or maybe it's my name. Maybe Willis is too blokey?
This thread's just making me laugh now.

YANBU.

We have sex segregated toilets for a reason. He should have called out asking if anyone was in there and waited.

Unclear what you would have done if there was a sign? Not gone in?

Or if he had shouted? Asked him to get out?

Male cleaners are commonplace, I’m surprised you were surprised by it.

Are you sure he was in fact a real employee and not posing as one? The way you describe it and the fact he did not announce himself sort of got me wondering. I'd let CS know, even just so employees (male and female) know to announce themselves in case they give someone a fright.

@MintyMabel every other time I have seen a male cleaner in the female loo there has been a sign/shouted warning.
It's not his presence in and of itself I object to but the lack of warning or opportunity for those who may want to do so to object. (Muslim women and rape victims to name two examples)

Dont forget to get your hair done before you make a fuss!

I am not bothered by male cleaners - it is normally obvious who they are. SOme women wait outside until he is finished buy my bladder waits for no man! Doesn't bother me at all. But this idea of mixed loos - no way Jose!

But my bladder! Obvs.

It's fine. He might have felt too embarrassed to announce "There's a male entering the female toilets" to some closed toilet doors.

Hahaha.... "warning when entering"

(Misses point of thread)

@Underthefur

Your exam one bears no similarity to a male cleaner though.

*example

Yanbu. We have male porters in work and they always knock on the door and give a shout etc before going into the ladies’ in case any women are inside. It’s polite more than anything, gives those who do mind a chance to leave if they prefer.

What's the haircut thing about?

Urgh @Campervan69 is just being goady and trying to derail the thread for their own agenda.

Can’t understand why everyone finds this not acceptable?? In this day and age of equality it’s to be expected.

He was doing his job,.... that’s all!

OP and others - get a grip.

are people of the opposite sex instant monsters we must come across unless warned?