To complain about this man in the women's loos?

[FairfaxAikman]

In the supermarket and had to nip to the loo with toddler DS in tow.
After finishing up in the cubicle I open up the door to come fact to face with a male member of staff.
I'm aware they need to clean the loos, but AIBU to think he should have announced himself before entering so it wasn't such a shock or people could object?
No sign on the main door either (as I've seen elsewhere) so women entering would be unaware.
Should I mention it to customer services?

The point I was making is that a woman cleaner could just as easily put spy cameras in a female toilets
Anyone guess how many women have been caught doing this compared to men? I don't know either, but I'm guessing since 98% of sexual crime is committed by men that a similar statistic would apply to toilet-videoing creeps.

lmao, standard MN response, any woman who doesn't automatically have a prob with a man cleaner in the bogs is an MRA.

The MRA comment was directed at a poster who piped up that women are sexual predators too. Which absolutely is the kind of thing that MRAs say.

It isn't about segregating any more than sex based segregation already applies. It's about applying a little bit of common courtesy so someone hoiking up their tights/washing period blood off their hands/standing at a urinal isn't suddenly and unexpectedly faced with someone of the opposite sex and embarrassed/made to feel uncomfortable, or someone that has their own reasons for not wanting to be alone with a strange male to take steps to avoid it. It also protects the staff member from accusations of sneaking around trying to spy/listen to women in the toilets. It's common sense.

At no point has anyone said that he shouldn't have been in there, just that a bit of warning would have been appreciated. Somehow that's been twisted to the downfall of women, him losing his job, going back to the 50s and only letting women clean, and Halloween masks! Perspective needed perhaps?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis appears to be one of our new kind of posters from across the pond who have joined to put women in their place over the transgender issue

conniption fits

Never heard this expression before and it's ace

Sorry for the double post, blame the app gremlins

Wtf is an MRA?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis appears to be one of our new kind of posters from across the pond who have joined to put women in their place over the transgender issue

Oh that makes sense. I wondered what was going on with his English.

YABU (and ridiculous)

Men's Rights Activists. Mumsnet seems to get attacked by them every so often and a lot of them are from America - you'll be able to tell by the way they post a lot of the time.

I definitely WOULD have been bothered by this.
He should have made an announcement before coming in , simple.
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Another abuse of wonens well needed safe place

*Anyone guess how many women have been caught doing this compared to men? I don't know either, but I'm guessing since 98% of sexual crime is committed by men that a similar statistic would apply to toilet-videoing creeps.

If women were prone to doing this, spy cameras would be found in men's toilets. They never are.

He'd have made me jump if he was just standing there staring at me when I came out of the loo, that's creepy & I wouldn' have liked it and I'd probably want to mention it to customer services.

If he was concentrating on his cleaning I probably would have been a bit startled, thought "Ah he's cleaning", smiled, hand washed, left.

@Campervan69 Aaaah thanks.

MRA = men's rights activist.

It's a bit of a misnomer given that it's generally understood to be some that isn't interested in actually furthering men's rights and addressing important issues like suicide prevalence, toxic masculinity, and the blockers for men in 'caring' roles (although I suppose they're all connected), but instead about telling women that they're 'hairy legged feminists' for daring to want equality and informing us all that women are actually the most privileged class of people because we have sex appeal that they can't resist so we're all manipulative sluts. Or something to that effect.

Again with the double post

Toilet cubicles only afford people a certain amount of privacy so it feels important to me that the space outside them remains segregated as far as possible.

Lots of schools now have unisex toilets, made up of basic cubicles, rather than separate rooms.

I have no issue with unisex toilets if they are properly seperated rooms with basins. However, I think it's unfair on women of any age who are trying to manage periods to not have a properly segregated space in which to use sanitary products and wash their hands.

I don't see the problem

YANBU.

When it is a male cleaner at our workplace, he shouts to alert anyone in the toilets, and waits to come in to clean until any women in there have left. I would expect a woman cleaning the men's toilets to show the men the same courtesy.

YANBU, OP. I agree with TeaEnjoying.

I'd complain. He should've called out loudly on his way in. Tell the supermarket they need better training/instructions for their staff.

Things have changed over the years, in lots of areas. Many of us are fine with it but there might be some elderly women, for example, who would feel very uncomfortable with this, and should be given the info so that they can be forewarned.

You are being utterly ridiculous.