To wonder why Prince Harry got annoyed with Sky News reporter?

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It seems very out of character for Harry? I wonder if he misinterpreted and thought she was asking about the lawsuit...

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Oh for fuck's sake cake you're here too.

Why don't you go outside if all you're able to do is sneer at other people.

@BertrandRussell

It’s a tough, dirty job but someone’s go to do it.

And while people continually refuse to answer them......

Your answer to:

Octonaught

@BertrandRussell
Is your sole raison d’etre On Mumsnet to ask annoying questions ?

I've certainly noticed the repetitive annoying questioning.
And have commented on it. You may or may not have noticed my commenting.

But while I notice your questions, Bertrand, it's just possible that lots of other people scroll past them without reading them.

Maybe other posters aren't deliberately refusing to answer your questions; they may just not read them.
Perhaps you're overestimating your own importance.

(I read your posts because when I joined MN you came across as an interesting person. Not so much now, sadly)

"@Cohle*

"Idontwanttotalk Yes that would be a totally delightful headline to read about yourself. hmm"

"Christ, some people have a truly astonishing lack of empathy."

You just don't get it, do you?

All I am saying is you quoted a headline in response to a poster asking when you'd last seen negativity about Kate Middleton and it wasn't negative about her. It just said she suffered from the morning sickness they were writing about.

Everything I've ever read written by the press about Kate's morning sickness has always expressed sympathy with her plight.

M would have been well advised to ask her 'friends' to keep absolutely silent, as William and Kate's are. Keep all the celebrity lovely nonsense to a minimum

I totally agree, but good luck trying to gag friends when the "principals" plaster themselves all over social media. If they choose to behave like any other zleb but then try to retreat behind the RF bastions when it fails to suit, it's not much use complaining when they're called out on it

And the Mail's latest thing about the infamous letter sounds to me like a flashing sign saying "Meghan's pals had already put it in the public domain and this will be our defence, so back off". They may be a foul rag but even foul rags will defend themselves when necessary, and they're hardly to blame if H&M have bitten off more than they can chew

As said, a period of quiet dedication to the job without constant "look at meeeees" and nauseating online memes might be wise, but with this particular couple it seems too much to hope for

Then why don't you let the poster who actually asked the question decide if she deems it a sufficiently negative headline, rather than inserting yourself into a discussion to pick a fight?

it wasn't negative about her. It just said she suffered from the morning sickness they were writing about.

Of course it's negative about her! She could easily be pregnant with dc4, or planning to become so. The headline is implying that any future child is more likely than not to have autism!? They didn't have to mention her directly in the headline, doing so was very unpleasant.

PuzzledandPissedOff And the Mail's latest thing about the infamous letter sounds to me like a flashing sign saying "Meghan's pals had already put it in the public domain and this will be our defence, so back off". They may be a foul rag but even foul rags will defend themselves when necessary, and they're hardly to blame if H&M have bitten off more than they can chew

Absolutely. And theres also a lot more than could be presented in court as evidence which wouldn't make the rules for publication. A lot could come out.

At a full hearing, the statement would have to be discussed in full, in some detail, to examine its exact meaning in order to see whether it had been misquoted or whether copyright had been infringed for the elements that may not already have been put in the public domain.

I predict this court case will die a death. Perhaps not even with a contrite DM statement published in a small column somewhere in their own paper.

RoseQuartzGlow You would have thought that in the two years or so that H and M were an item, just once Harry would have thought to himself ' I'd like to meet my future father in law'. Considering he decided to marry Meghan having only met her mother , and M would have to fit into a very demanding and alien role in a foreign country. he might have been anxious to know more about her family of origin. Quite apart from it being extremely stressful for her father to meet all her inlaws just a few days from the wedding, surely it would have been stressful for Harry himself to do it that way? What kind of time and attention would he have been able to give his future father in law amidst all the hurly burly of the wedding preparations a few days before? Absolute madness and completely ill judged.

According to the pre-engagement statement, marrying into the Royal Family, Harry said, would give "Meghan the family she never had". Now Meghan is a victim, not only of her own family, but the Nasty Press, which Harry must protect her against. Furthermore, generally she is the victim of Racism, which is the reason for any other negative comments about her.

Its obvious that Harry has a predisposition towards setting up certain women in his life (well, basically his mother and his wife) as victims. It would seem to be a solution to all his problems if he stepped back from public life, but no, its public statements, legal actions, foreign tours, public speeches. He clearly sees himself as above ordinary mortals because of his royal birth and wants to dictate his own terms. Its very grandiose behaviour and out of place in the modern world.

I don't know how Meghan can put up with him.

He clearly sees himself as above ordinary mortals because of his royal birth and wants to dictate his own terms. Its very grandiose behaviour and out of place in the modern world

TBF he's hardly alone in that; almost the entire family seem infected with the same idea, but as you say, that's exactly why for many of us the whole thing just doesn't "fit" any more

However much the RF might wish otherwise, it's not 1936 any more when they kept the UK in the dark about the abdication. By the same token - and within the law of course - they don't get to dictate what the media can and cannot say

Especially when they're quite so keen on blasting their own mouths off ...

marrying into the Royal Family, Harry said, would give "Meghan the family she never had"

Yes, and IMO that was yet another bad mistake. Some things are better not said on a worldwide platform, and whether it was true or not, effectively declaring her family to be useless was always going to cause the sort of bad feeling it's best to avoid

As so often it's a matter of judgment, and I question just how much Harry has

I don't think Harry thinks he's above other people. I think he's desperate to protect his wife and child from hurt. Obviously there has been a lot of anguish behind closed doors from her about the negative press. It's made explicit. However, what neither of them are doing is to take responsibility for WHY that negative press is happening. They are both seeing themselves as victims rather than agents in their own undoing.
No doubt Meghan's attitude is 'I'm doing all I can and all they do is slate me'. I also think she blames the British press and looks to the US instead as supportive to her .
They need to LISTEN and take account of what they may be doing wrong. Instead they are rushing to litigate and pouring out hurt feelings in an angry tirade, or getting 'friends' to speak on their behalf.
I think Harry in particular needs guidance. He used to take that guidance but I think now he looks to Meghan for everything. She doesn't have the experience to understand the system and correct the situation.
I feel that Meghan in particular has her own agenda and is bringing Harry with her. I think he feels torn between her and the RF and is lost. That doesn't mean he's arrogant or looks down on others, I suspect he is actually depressed and feels very powerless.

I was thinking (whilst driving, in my real life) why I give any thought at all to H&M, certainly enough to post my views about them, and it's this.

When I see William and Kate I am looking at the future of the monarchy. I might not live to see William as king, I certainly won't see George. So I'm interested in how they are shaping up, whether they herald the end of the monarchy or a new beginning. The degree of publicity they get seems about right to me. I'm neutral about them as people because I don't know them.

I don't see that future for Harry and Meghan. I'm not interested in them or what they have to say, any more than I am Prince Andrew. I don't wish them ill, but I don't wish them well either, at least no more than any other complete strangers. So when I find them repeatedly pushed into my consciousness I find them frankly irritating.

The exception has been this SA tour which showed them at their best. There are things about the way they conduct themselves I could do without, but in general I think it was a really good piece of work.

I think I might be representative of quite a lot of people's thinking. I would like them to just go away and do their thing without me having to be engaged.

“(I read your posts because when I joined MN you came across as an interesting person. Not so much now, sadly)”

My grief is controllable.

That’s about the only thing of yours that is controllabe Bert

Some scathing and pretty astute commentary from Camilla Long in the Sunday Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/maybe-prince-harry-hates-the-monarchy-why-else-wage-war-on-its-cheerleader-the-press-6t0l7g86w

"Until he dropped his bombshell statement, I’ll admit the whole thing had felt a bit dismal and boring. But then Harry is right when he says the press don’t report these trips honestly – insofar as they don’t report the endless, dusty humiliations, the diva demands, the fact that they are sneered at and ignored by the royals… (and) they tastefully ignore quotes from the locals who disparage the royals, disgusted by their lectures to poor people on poverty."

She also adds that,

“Megan isn’t “bullied” by the press, unless you count legitimate criticism of her endless hypocricy and a few articles about their petty refusal to reveal the name of, say, their new dog. “

Camilla Long is vile. I wouldn't cite her as an authority on anything.

@RoseQuartzGlow

Completely agree with everything you said in this post

don't think Harry thinks he's above other people. I think he's desperate to protect his wife and child from hurt. Obviously there has been a lot of anguish behind closed doors from her about the negative press. It's made explicit. However, what neither of them are doing is to take responsibility for WHY that negative press is happening. They are both seeing themselves as victims rather than agents in their own undoing

Yep, Private Jets, i think Harry genuinely thought that was a way of protecting his PFB. Although he didn’t seem to think about it when taking a PJ to the Google summit and lecturing us mere mortals on the environment.

No doubt Meghan's attitude is 'I'm doing all I can and all they do is slate me'. I also think she blames the British press and looks to the US instead as supportive to her

She’s got the influence she could only have dreamed of as an actress in the US. She is still adjusting to the way the press interpret things in the UK.

They need to LISTEN and take account of what they may be doing wrong. Instead they are rushing to litigate and pouring out hurt feelings in an angry tirade, or getting 'friends' to speak on their behalf.
I think Harry in particular needs guidance. He used to take that guidance but I think now he looks to Meghan for everything. She doesn't have the experience to understand the system and correct the situation.

This whole train wreck of litigation started in Feb / March. Things must have improved for them since then. Their baby is here, they had a brilliant tour of SA. Surely they could have pulled the plug. But they kept their current advisers except perhaps Sara Latham in the dark and blundered on.

I feel that Meghan in particular has her own agenda and is bringing Harry with her. I think he feels torn between her and the RF and is lost. That doesn't mean he's arrogant or looks down on others, I suspect he is actually depressed and feels very powerless

Yep. Exactly this.
Meghan quit her job and country and came to England before Harry had even proposed. It was a calculated risk.
The engagement interview with «boots on the ground» shows they were all set to start shaking things up. Even the Royal Foundation forum showed Meghan chomping at the bit and Harry saying « we’ve got a wedding to organise first».

None of Meghan’s energy and drive are a bad thing and she has achieved a heck of a lot in less than 2 years. However, both of them want the kudos and appreciation as if they were Oprah / Angelina Jolie / Bono.
But they are effectively civil servants and hugely subsidised by the tax payer, so if the press calls them to account, I’m afraid that’s the job description.

They need to LISTEN and take account of what they may be doing wrong

That's just the point though, Rose. I don't disagree with a word you've said, but when someone's been raised by sycophants on every side, competing to satisfy their every whim and to tell them just how admirable they are, the ability to listen perhaps gets a bit blunted

The same goes for the "victimhood", especially in these days when it seems almost a competition sport. Just who's going to be brave enough to tell him that a great deal of his current perceived victimhood may actually be the result of his own choices?

I find it interesting that shortly after the private jet debacle William and Catherine were in the papers for boarding a commercial plane to Aberdeen.
Now Harry’s delivered his anti media speech, the Cambridge’s are photographed at a football match looking very happy.
Seems the PR team working for the Cambridge’s are right on the ball.
I’m interested to see what happens during the upcoming tour.

Yep, the Cambridge's are playing a blinder. It must infuriate Harry

I’m surprised they didn’t “walk home to save the tuppence” as my granny would have said.....

That football match must have given their security people many sleepless nights and much grey hair....

Yep, the Cambridge's PR are doing a great job.

I'm not sure what your point is about security Bertrand?

Perhaps those ARE the security people, Bert!

Really? You don’t think running virtually invisible high level security for 4 incredibly high profile people at a football match would be a bit of a nightmare?