To think the back to 60 campaign is grabby

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It's been known about for a long time that state pension ages would be equalised.

State pension is just unsustainable, it was never supposed to be something people claim for 20-30 years. Was for people that had a hard time so they didn't starve to death in their last few years. Now it's a top-up to the richest part of society. It should have been linked with life expectancy a long time ago.

I'm in my 40s and dont expect to ever get a state pension. I've been contributing to my private pension ever since I worked to support myself.

How is it sexist and rude to say people with manual jobs will need a career change in their 60s? That's just common sense! Ridiculous.

@Trewser You are being rude and patronising to say any job in teaching is 'cushy'. No teaching job is cushy and you simply come over here as misinformed and bitter. I like many people worked bloody hard to get my qualifications and I don't feel you have any right to compare what I and other women did to earn money with women who had other jobs.

The fact is very few women are doing manual jobs. It's a nonsense to keep banging on about it. What are they doing? Laying bricks, building roads?

If that is your job then you make plans ahead. You think about what you can do instead. Plenty of big companies like M&S, B&Q and ALL the supermarkets employ older staff as they see them as more reliable. A relative of mine started work at 70 in a supermarket for a few days a week.

My mother, who had five kids and worked until 70, was told by her GP that work was good for her and helped protect her mental health.
I am still teaching part time in my late sixties, I worked full time until 65.
I do not see why healthy women in their early sixties are expecting state support and not to work. The money should be directed towards young families.

It seems to be moving towards 65-67 in other countries in Europeen.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_in_Europe
But, we also get a really bad financial deal compared to their countries:www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/retirees-in-these-countries-receive-100-of-a-working-salary/

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those who expected to retire later as per the 1995 agreement but spent much of their lives excluded from pension schemes who will do worse than men their age

Looking back at my career, I went into full-time work at 21 when I left university. Although my first job was pensionable, it required 2 years minimum service and in fact I left it just before the two years were up to go back to university to requalify. I then spent two more years at university, two years in a professional training role and four more years in a non-pensionable job before I got my next job with a pension scheme. I was made redundant from that one after 8 years and spent 3 years self-employed before getting another pensionable job. So coming up to 40 years after I first entered the workplace, I have 26 years pensionable and 14 years unpensionable. I know women my age who became doctors and will now have around 38 years accrued NHS pension.

So take a well-known phrase out of context, not all men.

But you are making assumptions based on your own, very privileged, life! It is ridiculous for you to do so. If you want to carry on noodling in and out of work until you are 70 then you can, one of the benefits of teaching. I work with women your age with no qualifications and their only work experience is manual factory work. One of my employees has worked for us for 50 years, full time. She deserves a bloody huge fully funded retirement.

@FaFoutis well you are wrong there because every bit of scientific evidence shows that retirement is bad for health. People who carry on working live longer and have healthier lives

That's what I meant jingling. I completely agree with you.

Hust looked it up : state pension age (not retirement age, as that is different) is 60 for all in france, and for women in tbe uk, greece and italy. men until 65 in these countries.
Its 65 for all in germany, spain, portugal, netherlands. 66 in ireland, 62 in norway and some others. 60 is quite unusual

She couldn't work longer as she had to become a full time carer at 61; she asked to go part time and was told no, because if they gave it to her other people might want it

That's life, these things happen, circumstances and health and family issues mean that not everyone is a fucking machine built to wear themselves out working to the last gasp. The state knows that full well, and depends on the unpaid labour of women to keep things ticking over.

That fund could have tracked me down via my NI number any time in the previous 23 years but didn't bother until 6 months before I started receiving the pension

Interested to know why you think it is the responsibility of the fund to track you down rather than you to keep a record of your pension entitlement and notify the fund of address changes

It seems to be moving towards 65-67 in other countries in Europe
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retirement_in_Europe
But, we also get a really bad financial deal compared to their countries

:www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/02/retirees-in-these-countries-receive-100-of-a-working-salary/

The fact is very few women are doing manual jobs. It's a nonsense to keep banging on about it. What are they doing? Laying bricks, building roads?

Don't be thick. We still have manufacturing in this country.

If that is your job then you make plans ahead. You think about what you can do instead. Plenty of big companies like M&S, B&Q and ALL the supermarkets employ older staff as they see them as more reliable. A relative of mine started work at 70 in a supermarket for a few days a week.

Exactly. If it was a younger age group that blissfully ignored all the changes and did nothing to plan as to how they were affected I bet the same people wouldn't be making excuses for them.

So many have failed to make sensible plans for the future and now don't take any responsibility.

Sorry, links keep not working

The pension age keeps being raised, not because they believe that working is good for you, but because they hope that you'll die off before you claim it!

I don't really understand why it is only news now. I probably am by my own admission being ignorant. But my mum is 70. She was one of the very last ones to be able to claim state pension at 60. But she knew it was an issue back then, ten years ago. Because she had to look into whether or not she was able to claim it. It has been in the news and the public domain for over a decade. I don't really understand why everyone is only suddenly complaining about it now?

Some of the ignorance on here is breathtaking.

@myself2020 that's as may be, and yet 8 countries have a pension age under 65 for men, and 22 for women.

So it's affordable for Ukraine but not the UK. Sure.

I think you are mistaken. I was teaching in the 1970s and no one had to resign their posts. Your mum's confused or you are .
Maybe she chose to leave teaching but it's a nonsense to say she was forced to in the 70s. I was at school in the 60s and early 70s with friends whose mums taught in the same school!

My mother was a teacher. She married in the late 50s. She didn’t give up her job. She gave up for a few years when she had children then went back part time but was back working full time by the time my older brother started secondary school in 1970. Ditto MIL. Also a teacher.

Grabby,rich, top up, career change in your 60s! My Husbands company suddenly liquidated on he spot, just after I had given my notice to retire from my permanent job, although I was still going to have to work, I intended to reduce my hours, I was doing a 12.5 night shift with 100 mile round trip commute. He was in his 50s, had done the same job since leaving school. I revoked my retirement, carried on for the next 4 years. Small children, mortgage rate 16pc in the 1980s, I couldnt afford to save for a company/private pension, at one point the mortgage rate went up 4% in 18 months, I had 4 jobs. My DH is 8 years younger than me, lots of health problems, his retirement age is 5 years away, hes has health and mobility problems, and cant afford to retire, we are the JAMS, you want to change places!!!

@JinglingHellsBells manual jobs are also caring roles which mean lifting people in hoists, nursing, retail, manufacturing, etc. Many of them are sectors in which women probably form the majority of the workforce.

Teaching is one of the very few jobs you can legitimately do part time. Of course, it requires a degree, and you'd expect educated women to be more informed and better off.

The pension age keeps being raised, not because they believe that working is good for you, but because they hope that you'll die off before you claim it!

Absolutely

mortgage rate 16pc

For a small amount of time on a low debt and houses despite this we're still more affordable