To think the back to 60 campaign is grabby

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It's been known about for a long time that state pension ages would be equalised.

State pension is just unsustainable, it was never supposed to be something people claim for 20-30 years. Was for people that had a hard time so they didn't starve to death in their last few years. Now it's a top-up to the richest part of society. It should have been linked with life expectancy a long time ago.

I'm in my 40s and dont expect to ever get a state pension. I've been contributing to my private pension ever since I worked to support myself.

STOP GASLIGHTING. You made disparaging comments earlier about family carers who are caring for disabled children. Its not just about elderly care. Its about care and compassion for all those who need it and living in a decent society.

So care workers will have to work till they reach pension age or find a different job.

If care fees go up why do you think the owners would pass on that as wages?

And if they do go up (most are £1K a week) people would not be able to afford them so they would close down and care workers would not have a job at all.

Thank God this thread is ending soon. I've no longer a clue what's going on!

You made disparaging comments earlier about family carers who are caring for disabled children

No you are confusing me with someone else.

Find another poster to rant at.

@WhoTellsYourStory

Me too! We seem to have someone bogged down with wages of care workers.

OP is in the process of buying a house. There is a thread on the property board.

Congrats OP Hope you will be happy in your new home.

Just that it is unfair to that 1950s cohort of women who have had two changes to accommodate. Many of them are unable to make up the shortfall (no time to save and allow for growth) this has created but state pension could be paid out to them (paid from receipts today). I don't think anyone thinks the age should not have risen, just that more time was needed to put this in place.

State pension is a universal benefit so it doesn't matter how rich someone is, they reach the qualifying age and they are due the benefit.

@HelenaDove

Firstly I'm buying a flat, and how is that even relevant?

"What about men and their rights if this case had been won by women?"

Well Jingling i have already pointed out that the Pension CREDIT age for men has gone up with the raise in state pension age for women. So low income men have been affected.

Name change fail?

Oh youve NCd Quelle surprise. You are buying a flat and contributing to a private pension. There are many who cant afford to do this Many of the rights that WASPI women fought for has enabled younger women to be able to do this.

@HelenaDove The group most struggling to buy property is younger people! I'm struggling to understand what's going on on this thread now.

Oh sorry my bad OP is in her 40s so probably has had to save and wait.

Ta Rufus

It's really not nice behaviour to search posters posting history and use it against them in current threads.

We could all do that and MNHQ takes a dim view of it.

Actually one of the recent posts has reminded me that we too had a flat in the domestic science room in my comp in the early 70s. If you were doing cookery in 5th form (yr 11) you actually got to stay in the flat overnight!

Anyway, despite going to a bog standard comp where I was funnelled into cookery and needlework from 1st to 3rd year, and yes we had typing classes too, I decided that I didn’t want to marry someone where we’d always prioritise his career and where I’d be expected to stop working and be a housewife. That was a choice. And not always an easy one. I’ve already said how tough it was breastfeeding a baby before getting the baby and toddler to my childminder by 7:15 to then go and do a days work and hand over all my earnings to the cm. I’ve no doubt my life would have been easier in the short term if I’d just decided to stop working.

I’m only just outside the waspi bracket and I was certainly starting my career and raising children within the same societal conditions. I think it cannot be said enough that people do make different choices. And it’s not about looking down on people who do low paid jobs. In fact id say some of the posters who are championing low paid workers vociferously are actually the worst at painting them as ‘victims’ - as if life is so awful being a care worker or a childminder. Many women make these choices because it suits them. I know women who do care work because the hours and shifts are flexible and reduce or wipe out their need for childcare. My childminder wanted to stay at home with her own child, and the fact I paid her to look after mine, meant she had her choice while continuing to earn. And goodness knows we hear enough on MN from women who tell us they can’t work or will only work very part time because they have to facilitate their husbands jet setter career. So presumably they are getting the benefit of a high earning husband.

Honestly out of all the possible causes the govt could be ploughing money towards, compensating this group of women because they have to keep working a bit longer before they can draw their SP is way down the list of priorities.

compensating this group of women because they have to keep working a bit longer before they can draw their SP is way down the list of priorities.

Your priorities.

No, anyone with any sense's priorities.

Oh and yours @JinglingHellsBells. And of course the only opinion that counts.

Well the courts agreed that the process was reasonable and that there were no grounds for compensating one particular group of women. We’re all having to work longer and pay more in while getting less back. Simple economics.
And quite frankly not many of the posts on this thread in support of the waspis have shown the group in a positive light... it mainly seems to be women who were privileged enough to stop work or were only working part time anyway in their 50s or early 60s and have sour grapes because they aren’t going to get special treatment funded by the younger generations who’ll be lucky to see any state pension before they’re 70

I can't help but laugh at the time and energy these WASPI women have put into their cause, when the same energy could have been put into finding or carrying on with work (as some of us are doing already). It would benefit them far more.

Thankfully the courts saw sense, unlike many posters here.

The trouble with baseless assumptions is that they’re frequently wrong. I worked full time up to my state pension date, I couldn’t have done that in many, many jobs.

@Acciocats, you’re pre the Waspi cohort so presumably got your pension at 60, easy to smugly pronounce on something when you gained before the ladder was pulled up.

Baseless assumption there alsohuman. I won’t get my state pension until I’m 67. I’m fully paid up with NI contributions but continue paying hundreds every month because I work full time. That’s the reality of the situation: it was inevitable that pensions would be reformed because people are living so much longer.

Life expectancy is now declining and there are great regional variations. Of course you’re right it was inevitable but the way it was done is a disgrace.

I couldn’t have done that in many, many jobs. But men can and do? (work to SP age.) so much for feminism when posters paint women as feeble creatures who are over the hill by 60-odd.