To ask how you all feel about mixed sex loos and wards?

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Just in the past day or so there have been discussions on social media about the new NHS guidelines that allows patients to choose which sexed ward they feel most comfortable in reality making wards mixed sex. And today the Old Vic is also following the recent trend to make its loos mixed sex - mixed sex with urinals, mixed sex with with stalls and gender neutral loos. Just wondering how folk feel about the end of single sex wards and loos for mixed sex provision.

The wards are not for mixing men who identify as men and women who identify as women but for those who identify and live as women with genetic women etc.

Women can harass and follow other women as much as men can. I've been harassed by both genders on nights out.

So I struggle to see the difference I understand why people struggle though. My experience is not everyone's.

I dont want penis in my space thats to keep women safe thanks.

Either toileting, menstruating, breastfeeding, or crapping,cos apparently thats a real turn on for men and children according to warwickshire cc and their school ed.

Knowing that now I want none of it. I don't want men getting on me or my girls taking a crap or a pee.

Penis needs to use male facilities, cos penis is male not female. Rape is only with penis.

*Getting off on me or my girls performing normal bodily functions, sickos

Having worked in The NHS I would say this will never happen as there are never any beds on any wards, so your lucky to get one in the first place.

Do you know what I don't actually give much of a shit about using mixed toilets out and about in every day life - I'm confident enough to deal with any unsavoury males, I hover so can avoid the piss and can breathe through my nose to avoid the smell (though I still don't support it as other, younger women may not). But when I look back to the times I've been in hospital and what has been going on I would be absolutely devastated to find a man in the bed next to me, never mind the toilets. When you're at your most vulnerable, dealing with pain, bodily fluids, feeling drowsy, coming round from anaesthetic, being sick, on strong drugs, etc etc, the last fucking thing you want is to have to also evaluate risk from men in the room and deal with possible harassment (I have been harassed by many men, no women).

Terrible idea. Why are the feelings of a handful of confused men more important than those of pretty much every woman, again.

Mixed sex wards would bother me if I had no choice and had to stay on one.

Mixed sex toilets wouldn't if there were cubicles. I don't care who listens to me pee and predators would (and have) just follow women into the ladies' toilets anyway if he wanted to attack them.

Mixed sex loos it depends on the where and situation. Public loos, train centres, urinals etc then no. In a workplace, contained busy building with cubicles then no issue. In fact as mother of boys I would have welcome them gladly in places like shopping centres where you tend to have staff in duty.
Mixed sex wards - absolutely no.

I thought mixed sex hospital wards were virtually a thing of the past, but maybe I am wrong? They should be a thing of the past. I wouldn't want to be on one.

I wouldn't generally want mixed sex public toilets either, though I would not object too much if they were self-contained rooms with floor to ceiling walls and doors. I hate the more usual cubicles with large gaps at the top and bottom as privacy is too limited.

No way. And the theatre lied in its fundraising, which was specifically to improve facilities for women, but has improved them for men.
I remember my DM being infuriated when in a mixed sex ward, just because a bloke is older doesn't mean he won't flash his cock to all and sundry if he's so inclined. She told some dirty gadgie to put it away. But it's all about their feelings over our safety, as usual.

I had a three week hospital stay in July. For the first day, I was in a 4-bed room, all female. For the rest of my stay, I was in ICU, which was mixed. On the whole, it was fine. The other patients were mainly a lot older than me, mostly male.

The only time it worried me was when a male patient (who kept trying to escape and was very shouty) opened my curtain at 5am and stood over me in bed, just staring. The nurse was there in seconds, walked him away and he was then sent home that day.

Mixed toilets would bother me more, but I generally hate public loos anyway.

Wouldn’t like mixed sex toilets at work either. I’ve no problem with my female boss hearing me unwrap sanitary towels, use the toilet if I have a stomach upset etc. We’re all women together. But for some reason, if my male boss was in the cubicle next to me and could hear everything, I’d be embarrassed when speaking to him professionally straight after.

It’s fine for ICU I think as most patients are sedated and it’s rare a patient is allowed out of bed plus it’s 1:1 care until hdu step down (apart from covering breaks). Rubbish for other wards.

Good god that's awful in ICU ringlets.

You could have been sedated and never known a thing!

alpha Woke up to find some dirty fucker wanking over me.
Ffs how awful, I bet the police didn't do anything.

..but still think, stop being silly women,theres no risk.

I can honestly say no woman in all the loos in all the world I've been to has ever been pervy or overly interested in my privacy and business

I could howevrty, recount similar negative experiences at the hands of men, and I dont really care who else is 'not bothered' or 'couldn't give a shiney shit', the fact remains this is happening to women and girls all the time, day in day out, and some are happy to sit back and let that exposure to risk increase???

Who does that?

I was in HDU once after a big op, couldn’t really do anything for myself. It was a six bay unit, and was mixed sex because they said they couldn’t afford otherwise. They didn’t like to pull curtains across because they couldn’t see all the patients so well and said it was a safety thing.
Nasty middle-aged man in the bed opposite was staring at me every time I looked up and it wasn’t pleasant. Creepy bastard. Wtf is wrong with someone that even when THEY are in HDU as a patient they are still interested in leering at a woman wearing an oxygen mask and hooked up to a drip? He didn’t stare at the man in the bed next to me (who for balance, was an old gent who was the loveliest chap and who was probably embarrassed about being in a mixed sex bay himself). It was a horrible experience and even worse having to sit on a commode knowing that creep was on the other side of the curtain. I should have complained.

I should have complained.

Easier said than done. My aunt (who didn't complain either) was seriously ill on a hospital ward of about 12, with a woman from a prison who had swallowed razor blades or something and her four male guards 24hrs. I would have thought at least one of them would be in a side room, but there just aren't enough.

Oh what! What tye hellnis going on when four males are assigned to a female on a female.ward!!!

The trouble is women in that situation are ill and vulnerable.

WHICH IS WHY ITS THE DUTY OF THE NHS TO PROTECT THEM!

What pisses me off is why we have to somehow defend the fact that we don't want penises in female spaces. It's obvious. It's why single sex spaces exist in the first place.

I want those advocating this mess to explain how this benefits women? How it supports our dignity, safety and privacy?

I average 4 hospital admissions a year, usually for 10-14 days at a time and would be horrified at the thought of being on a mixed sex ward. Due to the nature of my condition, I usually have a room to myself, but there are times when I'm out on the general ward.

I have had confused old ladies trying to get into bed with me in the night, and one thinking the chair next to my bed was a toilet, and having a wee on it!

I often form close bonds with the other ladies on my bay (there are usually 5 of us in total) and we often chat during the day. The Dr's and Nurses all discuss the ins and outs of our conditions and treatment plans in the ward (although sometimes they may pull the curtain round), and everyone can hear. Even the daily questions; "Have you had a wee today, have you passed a stool yet?" I would find embarrassing on a mixed ward. Occasionally I've been too ill to get to the bathroom and have had to use either a bedpan or commode - neither of which I would feel comfortable with if there were men 3 metres away, even if they were behind a curtain!

Lots of gender neutral loos have individual cubicles with floor to ceiling walls/doors with sinks inside etc. Those types of loos are my favourite overall out of any loos, as they have extra privacy so I can see in peace!!

Not at all bothered about loos - if I'm in a cubicle, I don't really care who's in the cubicle next to me. I don't love anyone hearing me pee, but that applies to both sexes.

Wards are different, if you're an inpatient then you're at your most physically vulnerable, you're trying to sleep (leaving you 100% vulnerable) with a strange man potentially in the next bed. If the wards were fully staffed with regular and frequent checks, I might feel less bothered, but they're grossly understaffed everywhere nowadays.

No. Wouldn’t stay on mixes sex and hated strange males on maternity.
Not happy taking myself or daughters into mixed sex toilets either.
I’d like to have separate sex AND ‘anyone’ toilets please.

Absolutely hate the idea of both. I found a mini WiFi camera inside the toilet bowl (yes, the actual bit you piss in) of a ‘gender neutral’ (mixed sex) toilet I went into recently. It was in a hired space where a number of young women had been employed to work. Absolutely stomach turning.

Anywhere that men can get easy and unrestricted access to women’s spaces, without being stopped or questioned, then those spaces eventually become unsafe. They attract predators because predatory males make it their business to find and use that opportunity.

DC’s are getting old enough now to want to use the loo independently. As long as they are mixed sex I’ll be making sure I’m vigilant because a lot of men will and do use any opportunities to abuse easy access to children.

And before someone comes on here and NAMALTs, I will repeat - It Is A Lot of Men, that is many many more than we like to think unfortunately.

Question for anyone who works in the medical field: how will this silly rule apply to Muslim/ Jewish/ Romany women?

Question for anyone who works in the medical field: how will this silly rule apply to Muslim/ Jewish/ Romany women?

How does it work now is the question to ask - as people have repeatedly pointed out mixed sex wards are a thing now.