To ask how you all feel about mixed sex loos and wards?

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Just in the past day or so there have been discussions on social media about the new NHS guidelines that allows patients to choose which sexed ward they feel most comfortable in reality making wards mixed sex. And today the Old Vic is also following the recent trend to make its loos mixed sex - mixed sex with urinals, mixed sex with with stalls and gender neutral loos. Just wondering how folk feel about the end of single sex wards and loos for mixed sex provision.

No, absolutely not. No to mixed sex wards and no to mixed sex loos. I don’t even go in the single occupancy ones if I can help it. I don’t fancy getting caught on some pervert’s spy cam.

I want the choice of a single sex ward and loo please. If others are comfortable in a mixed sex environment fine.

The Old Vic can fuck off with ‘you might not identify with’ having a penis or a vagina. You still have what you have, and I don’t want to see it out waggling having a wazz when I’m trying to go to the loo, thanks. Nor do I want to be sitting knickers down next to a man i don’t know who has self selected the same loos as me. Single cubicles withtheir own door etc would be fine.

I can’t believe so many people have an issue with things like this!

Most patients in NHS wards are elderly, and many are suffering from dementia or are confused and disinhibited by medication or illness. It’s not uncommon for such male patients to expose themselves or try to get into bed with another patient. Would any woman honestly feel safe undressing and sleeping in a mixed sex ward, knowing this?
And why the hell should we have to allow any man into our female loos, simply because he claims to “identify” as female? He is still a man, with male anatomy, whatever his costume or delusions. Or he may simply be a predator and lying to gain access to victims.
It’s up to men to be more accepting of unusually dressed and gender dysphoric males in their correct (men’s) loos - it’s not up to women to solve their problems for them by sacrificing our own safety, dignity and privacy.

I can’t believe so many people have an issue with things like this!

Shocking, isn't it women wanting to uphold measures that are in place to protect the basic safety and comfort of women.

SherbertSaucer What do men say when you ask them to accommodate gender-non-confirming males, non-binary males and queer males in their toilets and hospital wards?

For toilets our local hospital (for patients) only has mixed bathrooms but it’s room with a sink, loo and shower.. one at a time, no walking past anyone with their wang out. If that’s what they meant that’d be fine.. like a row of doors and a complete little bathroom inside (probably minus shower for visitors obviously). In fact I’d prefer it, I’ve had blood on my hands and then had to try n scrub it off with loo roll and hand sanitiser wonder what the hell would someone else do.. realising they’d inevitably have to open the door if they didn’t have said hand sanitiser they’d have put blood on doors walls.. and then the realisation that there could be shit or pee on the door too (definitely not envy)

And in all my years working with the public the women’s toilets are always the bloody worst.. shit up walls, puke in wire waste baskets, god only knows what on mirrors, soaked floors, san products stuck to stuff (used ones). Gents tended to have an unflushed or skiddy loo (the shit was in it so that’s easy) and wee on the floor.. near the urinals not near the sinks or the entry.

Wards are a totally separate issue. Some mixed are fine icu/a&e where either the patients are immobile or the turn overs too high. I do think men with conditions like dementia where they are prone to undressing or sexualised/disturbing behaviour (climbing into bed with others/scratching balls like they’ve got fleas) should be kept in a separate ward, not necessarily just the gents ward.. my dp would be signing himself out with that too. And that women/men should be able to request a single sex ward place (not of the opposite but that they’d want on a ward with their own). And that nurses/staff should be more of what they used to be, we had an old fashioned matron nurse on a mixed ward when I was 18.. if any of the blokes had so much as flashed a nip never mind walked around in boxers she’d have had them for it instantly.

There’s issues in ward placements too our local hospital puts women after d&c’s or surgical/medical management of miscarriages on the bloody labour ward then through the same recovery as those women who are now sitting with their babies.. even though there’s a gynae ward next to ent, where no one would have hear a newborns first cries while loosing their baby.

As a wheelchair user I've been forced into using mixed sex loos for the past 20 years. Yet to have the sky fall in on me so far, so I'm inclined to say I don't really care.

Same for wards, I've spent many many weeks laid up in a ward, there are male nurses, male doctors, male cleaners, male porters, and male visitors around all hours of the day. I doubt a male bedmate would change things much. There are curtains for privacy already.

Mixed sex wards are obviously dangerous. Mixed sex loos would be fine imo if they were all stalls (men can easily sneak into women’s loos if they want to use them to attack women anyway).

Were the male staff sleeping beside you and using the same toilets as you? Were they unvetted randoms? alilnonnymouse
After I had my children I wasn’t allowed keep the curtains closed.. too many wanting to be woke.. can’t be bothered to see there are situations where it should be single sex and certainly not gender

SherbetSaucer really? Maybe come out of your own little bubble a bit then.
I remember when mixed sex wards started to be introduced in the '80s as a measure for bed shortages, they were a nightmare for staff and patients, and that was strictly single sex bays (other than high dependency units).

Not interested in either

I need to do my make up in peace

Oh my god is this real???!!!!

Men sharing women's loos now?

I will be scared to be in hospital with men sleeping near when I'm in a state of undress and unwell!

The stats of women being assaulted are rising. They need places of safety, above 'respect and dignity' for someone's gender choice.

When it comes to privacy, safety, and dignity it about sex not gender!!

Last 3 times I've had need of public toilet (costa, kfc, motorway services) there have been men in them. Twice with unlocked door and dick out.

Fucking gross.

Oh and on holiday, standing with dick out door open .fuck off you pervs

It won't last long. THe law suits will start soon. After that, companies will start switching back.

If you are in hospital, it is bad enough sharing a ward with strangers of the same sex, let alone the opposite sex. We are in the 21st century & the layout of some hospital wards hasn't changed in over 100 years. It is time all hospitals started providing single rooms with bathroom for all patients. I know it is going to be the usual answer that it is the NHS & we should be glad of the fact that we get treatment for free & that it would make nursing staff's jobs much harder. In a private hospital, staffing ratios are often lower than in NHS hospitals but most patients are in single rooms. When you look at how long a patient is being treated at the bedside each day, unless it is in intensive care or high dependency, the vast proportion of time a patient is on their own. Last time I was in hospital for an operation for 24 hours, I saw the nurse to be booked in, 10 minutes, consultant to sign final consent, 5 minutes, on return from theatre, 10 minutes, then maybe 5 minutes every hour for first 8 hours, then probably 5 minutes every 2-3 hours & once or twice during the night. With modern technology, visual monitoring could be done from the nursing station, beds already have the buzzer. There is no way you would get me in a mixed sex ward or sharing a ward with a patient who had been born male.

My nan had to lie there whilst some old man wanked whilst staring at her. Yeah, mixed sex, such a great, safe idea.

Guys all wards are mixed sex. Its the 4/6 bedded bays within the wards that arent.

I think theres a little confusion.

Wouldn’t bother me

I'm happy with mixed sex provision as long as two conditions are met first: -

1. Male violence levels need to have dropped to the same as female
2. Nobody is raped. Ever. If these can be shown to be possible then I'll be happy for mixed sex provision. As the chances of this happening are as close to zero as it's possible to be, I'd rather have things like toilets and hospital wards split firmly by sex.

No! Women’s spaces should not keep being changed. The loo has always been a good escape tactic from over eager men on a night out. Give women spaces to be safe.

I wouldn't be happy with mixed sex wards. Some people like my son do require a carer to stay with them 24 hours but this should be accomodated in a side room.

I couldn't give a shiny shit.

I would not be happy at all. Actually it would be terrible for my mental state as I get very anxious in hospitals anyway and I dislike being around other patients visitors and all that comes with it. So this would be even worse for me.