To ask why you think the Tory party are nasty / evil?

[MellowBird85]

This is not a loaded question, I am genuinely interested to hear why some people are of this opinion. Fire away...

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Using terms like "evil" isn't helpful and it would be silly to say that everyone who votes conservative is evil. Sometimes people who have had a lot of advatages fail to realise how difficult life can be. The policies of the Tory government have most definitely caused a lot of suffering and it is quite nasty to want to hold on to your priviledge while other people don't have the basics It is easy to preach individual responsibility when you are in a very advantaged position.

There are cases where they have clearly got it wrong however "ill" and "disabled" does not necessarily mean "can't work at all"

different rules for workers, and for employers. A person maybe physically fit to carry out the job, but an employer is not allowed to employ someone in particular condition for that job. Or take extra measures like somebody to supervise them at all times.

Unfortunately Miaow, those employed by this government haven't learnt the difference between those who are able and those who aren't. People with disabilities are made to attend the job centre, they are sanctioned for being late, despite being disabled. People are sanctioned for being late even though they attended the centre on time, the queue was too long. People are sanctioned whilst on hospital beds, but of course they're feckless and workshy, aren't they.
Just because you've managed to get yourself comfortable, don't assume that others aren't as comfortable because they're lazy. In most cases that isn't the case.

I'm not rich or thick, I only earn £180k a year.

Ooh look, irony.

A fail to see how a nurse needing to go to food banks to feed her children is "workshy" or "feckless".

@Cam77 Spot on.

I don't find them 'evil', unless being totally selfish, ruthless and clueless count. Nasty is certainly the cap that fits - the last 9 years of Tory government have been an absolute travesty.

A tory politician told my dh recently that the low paid are ‘lazy’ and ‘dont want to work’

Please note they were referring to LOW PAID...not the unemployed

Fuck lmow what they thought of them!

My dh (until recently a tory voter) was querying aspects of universal credit

The residulisation and welfarisation of council /social housing.

www.insidehousing.co.uk/insight/insight/the-rise-and-fall-of-council-housing-56139

In the 1980s, residualisation may have been a partly unintended consequence of housing policies pursued with varying ideological intent.

Since 2010, and more so since the return of single-party Conservative government in 2015, we’ve seen something further: welfarisation – ‘a conception of social housing as a very small, highly residualised sector catering only for the very poorest, and those with additional social “vulnerabilities”, on a short-term “ambulance” basis

The crisis in SEN funding has left me feeling they are a heartless bunch. 8500 vulnerable children awaiting a school place. Its very hard to tell me there is no money - when i look at the cost of brexit so far, there even tv campaigns telling me to be ready but not for what.

Yep. £100 million spent on the brexit ad campaign alone

Because for the majority of uk residents the Conservative party is making life harder, money shorter. The old, sick, disabled & vulnerable are treat as scroungers, guilty before trial, social housing residents are thought to be taking homes they don't deserve. The Tories want this country divided to haves & have nots & expect the have nots to be grateful for any crumbs handed to them.

Not compared to Comrade Corbyn and his band of communists.

however if she was younger she would be able to do a desk job as long as it was wheel chair accessible.

And the Tories cut the Access to Work grants to employers so they could pay for modifications to their workplace to accommodate employees with additional needs, such as wheelchair space.

@familycourtq

You’ve assumed that I think the solution was to stop his benefits completely. Of course I don’t think that. “Starve him”....indeed

It doesn’t have to be one extreme or the other, a middle ground does exist. Possibly sanctions if he doesn’t engage with a treatment programme?

I’ve just seen @MellowBird85 's comment about the violent alcoholic, and why should they get support?

I just think we can’t make everyone responsible for a tiny number of extreme outliers like that, which is unfortunately what the current system does. It assumes large numbers are workshy, lying about their health etc. And we can’t stop drug/alcohol addiction by taking away benefits – addiction is more powerful than money. Don’t you think most people would choose not to spend everything on addictive substances if they had the support to get off it, and something more to look to in life than the next fix? All that happens is it reduces people to crime, prostitution etc to keep up their habit
One thing I hate about the Tories is how everything is about pleasing the Daily Mail and co with their narrative of ‘scroungers’ when a significant proportion of benefit claimants are in work. We appear, therefore, to be subsidising employers to pay wages that don’t even amount to subsistence.

I agree with some here who have said Tories aren’t evil but just don’t get, or don’t want to get, the challenges other people face. Tories who are wealthy just don’t understand what it is to have no resources, no financial buffer, no ability to ‘just’ do the sorts of things they recommend – money buys choice and they assume everyone has the same array of choice they do. The poorest people, and especially those with care responsibilities can’t ‘just take any job’ or ‘just move to where the jobs are’ or ‘just improve their qualifications’ – there’s no ‘just’ about it when you don’t have money.

Those Tories like Sajid Javid who have ‘worked their way up’ along with other members of their families, just assume that if they did it, anyone can.

Not compared to Comrade Corbyn and his band of communists.

You'll have to refresh my memory. What did they do in power ?

@MellowBird85 so force them into a programme and punish them if they don't succeed in beating something that has had a stranglehold on them for years? You sound incredibly naive. And what about those who can't be helped? Send them to the workhouse?!

@MellowBird85 the trouble with the idea of sanctions in that situation is that a person needs to be supported to make positive change. Sanctioning an addict who is presumably a volatile person isn't going to make them reflect on their issues.

i see the OP has trotted out the story of a "scrounger" always happens. people always know somebody to back up why the sick and disabled are targeted.
the government have done their job well. people like the Op have swallowed it hook line and sinker.

Tory voter here, please do not all attack at once it's like entering the lions den on here.

I don't agree with everything the Tory party do, especially as of late with the absolute ridiculous incompetence of delivering Brexit but that aside, I do know that the Tory party is more aligned to my personal views than the Labour party.

Particularly now that the Labour party has moved to the extreme left.

i see the OP has trotted out the story of a "scrounger" always happens. people always know somebody to back up why the sick and disabled are targeted.

In the light of the diagram posted, they must be a bit thick then. Or nasty. Or both.

Its the hypocrisy as well. Tory voters who think its right that a play area on a mixed development should be closed off to the kids who live in social housing and then in the next breath (or a previous one) they moan about childhood obesity.

I do know that the Tory party is more aligned to my personal views than the Labour party.
Could you give examples of policies that reflect your views please?

@MellowBird85
You’ve assumed that I think the solution was to stop his benefits completely. Of course I don’t think that.
Possibly sanctions if he doesn’t engage with a treatment programme?

What do you think sanctions means?
In a benefit context it means nothing to eat.

Ever asked yourself why we have so many foodbanks?