To ask why you think the Tory party are nasty / evil?

[MellowBird85]

This is not a loaded question, I am genuinely interested to hear why some people are of this opinion. Fire away...

The reason I don't get worked up over taxing the large corporations is I'm realistic.

They can move their liability to anywhere in the world they like. As long as there are tax friendly locations, we are limited as to what we can do.

Political correctness is everywhere contamination of the nation is rife
Haveing to be careful with words pi $$ me of.
Laws that change without the nation's opinion
Being a mother in this country is contradictory. What gets said doesn't get done. Low wage high rent. The gov pms mps are all evil they all work in vanity. They are guilty of distorting people's perceptions of this Christian nation.

My FiL is not I would say evil or nasty (life long Tory voter) he just can't/won't see that he was lucky in life and that others are not as lucky. He's worked very hard to achieve what he achieved but his privileged childhood, the private schools, the assumption he would go to University and all the inheritances he has had helped.

He and most of the others like him that I've met believe that everyone can achieve what they have and therefore if people aren't, it's because they are lazy, feckless scroungers who need austerity to get them off their arses. Thinking it about, it's perhaps the best argument for abolishing private schools because that's part of the issue. FiL got into his 70s without actually having to interact much with people with less money than him.

Before I had dc, I worked with vulnerable families and we had many many rows about it. He will never change his mind, hates paying tax and I think regrets that unlike his ancestors he can't pack the "peasants" off to the nearest colony (they have fascinating records in the attic from an ancestor who was a judge and did exactly that). Which is so frustrating because in person, he's so generous but he won't extend that to the wider population.

Just look on any threads regards healthcare being cut, schools being cut and Universal Credit and you'll find out why OP.
They are scum. Self serving, silver spoon scum.

@juicyjuicymangoes

Out of curiosity, what do you feel is more dangerous about his ideas? Which ones specifically?

Because they believe that people are successful because of their talent and hard work. So people have 'earned' everything they have.

They don't recognise that it's largely a product of good fortune in parents, education and support network.

And somehow their view of 'hard work' encompasses bankers and lawyers working 80 hour weeks for 6 figure sums not cleaners and waiters working physically hard 60 hour weeks for minimum wage. Or people caring for the old and sick for nothing (despite it taking the pressure off the state).

This allows them to see suffering and poverty as the result of bad choices and behaviour. This means they can leave people to sink in society.

Even more than this they see asking the wealthy and successful to contribute to social safety net and measures that compensate for the structural inequality as somehow unfair. The rich and successful are their by their own hard work and should reap the full reward.

It’s not the general right wing worldview itself, which I sometimes sympathies with to a lesser or greater extent. It’s the right wing worldview practiced by, in most part, very privileged individuals (Conservative politicians) who often have very little knowledge or interest in how the “other half” lives. It’s the right wing infested with the ugliest consequences of the British class system. Under a decent man with real life experience - eg, John Major, it can be okay. Under a man like Johnson, or Cameron or Osborne it quickly becomes something distinctly unpleasant.

The reason I don't get worked up over taxing the large corporations is I'm realistic. They can move their liability to anywhere in the world they like. As long as there are tax friendly locations, we are limited as to what we can do.

So let's take benefits from the most vulnerable in society instead ?

I cannot take the opinion of anyone who refers to benefit recipients as 'workshy and feckless' seriously. All that means is that you have no idea who most of that money is actually going to, and therefore have no idea what you're talking about.

The facts are available, look them up and maybe have a think about your me me me attitudes, very few people are net contributors to the system and you might find you take more out than you think you do.

They are not evil.
No, they are not evil. But many of them are very nasty piece of work, including the PM. Sorry, but if you lend your vote to a man who has repeatedly, repeatedly lied on the record, cooperated in having a journalist beaten up, touches women without their consent, promotes business of his buddies/latest fling, hides how many children he has, then I seriously question your moral compass. That’s before getting onto his pitiful record as London Mayor (the bridges, the water canons, etc) and the current shambolic mess. No wonder he uses one name for the public and one name for his private life.

rich have earned

if only...
Not inherited, not speculated, not fiddled, not stole, not profited from various dodgy dealings...
yeah, sure.

Indeed pukka. Some people seem to think they 'look after themselves' and never take a penny from the government when they almost certainly do. This is probably where the, (old hat), 'turkeys voting for Christmas' line, to refer to tory voters, came from. People do think about "those" benefits scroungers who can't be bothered to work hard like I do. Get them out to work blah blah. When unbeknownst to them, they are probably beneficiaries of the state themselves!

What I don't understand is, even if you want to be totally selfish about it, why wouldn't you want to pay more tax now to ensure there's a safety net if you need it? I thought the average person is only a few months from being in a desperate situation if the shit hit the fan. Weird.

I honestly don’t know how anyone with any morality would vote Conservative. They are vile.

Miaow you do know that the Tories have included people with serious illness and disabilities among those considered feckless and workshop, don't you?

Two homeless people dying a day in England now, thanks to austerity. Which btw is an ideological motive not to ‘save money’ as they have borrowed more than Brown’s government plus have had millions to spend on Brexit, the DUP bribe etc.

Do you need to ask? Just look at the state of the country and what a mess we are in.

When I have seen a friend who was disabiled have her mobility car taken away, she then lost her job because she could not get their. 12 months later the car was renstated. It was too late them because she had been evicted from her home and then went on to commit sucide. So yes a party that would stand by and let stuff like this happen are evil. It not even an isolated case that slipped through the net. It happening again and again and again.

@Gilead

Whether you can work depends on the disability or illness - just because you have one does not mean you shouldn't work if you can.

My mum is retired now and riddled with arthritis - however if she was younger she would be able to do a desk job as long as it was wheel chair accessible. In the past, someone with her condition would have been given long term disability and she was.

However she fully admits herself she could have done some work.

There are cases where they have clearly got it wrong however "ill" and "disabled" does not necessarily mean "can't work at all".

@MellowBird85
Is this right? To keep giving him all this cash to piss up the wall and enable his chaotic lifestyle? Shouldn’t there be an element of taking some personal responsibility for yourself?

Are you saying he should have been starved instead?
Ideally, he could have got some help with the addictive disease he had - but just cutting benefits for everyone isn't likely to achieve that is it? How exactly do you expect someone like this to "take some personal responsibility" by preventing them from beaing able to buy food?

Boris doesn’t care about real people. Guy doesn’t know what it feels like to be at the bottom of your overdraft

There are cases where they have clearly got it wrong however "ill" and "disabled" does not necessarily mean "can't work at all"
But the problem is employers on the whole do not want to employ disabled people. I used to work for a disability charity on an employment project to support disabled people getting work. Some very highly qualified, some who have never had a days sickness in a previous job. Still employers don’t want them

The reason I don't get worked up over taxing the large corporations is I'm realistic. They can move their liability to anywhere in the world they like. As long as there are tax friendly locations, we are limited as to what we can do.
We are not at all limited - we could tell Amazon et all to fuck off until they pay tax. There is no way they could get away with their stunts in their home market. We should just ask them to pay their dues.

Seems austerity really is over. Hurrah !

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/huge-delivery-champagne-arrives-tory-20379615

A huge delivery of Champagne has arrived at Tory conference as MPs discussed poverty and homelessness.

Dozens of bottles of Pol Roger bubbly were delivered to the Manchester Central conference centre this morning, as MPs gathered to discuss housing and social care funding.

The posh plonk, which costs as much as £46 a bottle, was seen piled high on a pallet being wheeled in to the venue.

I have seizures, fantastic work record, fantastic attendance record. Great qualifications. When I got made redundant I sent over 50 applications. I got one interview. I did disclose my disability in the form because it no use trying to hide it and going to work for someone who won’t even interview someone with seizures.

Some posters on here make me sick with there I’m alright jack attitude.
I suggest they go back and read shartgoblins post. Workshy and feckless. Fuck off.