To ask why you think the Tory party are nasty / evil?

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This is not a loaded question, I am genuinely interested to hear why some people are of this opinion. Fire away...

My DD has is 5 and is autistic. The shameful lack of funding schools have to get her the help she needs is a disgrace. The cuts to vital services have been made under a Tory government. They are an absolute disgrace.

And the Brexit referendum is their fault. How anyone can vote for them is beyond me.

Has any Tory supporter said it is purely down to their own virtue, does this cross into the realms of Labour front benchers being anti private school whilst sending their children to said private schools

Classic "whataboutery" which i thought you were opposed to?

How a Lab politician schools their children is of little real difference to anyone.
Failing to look after the disabled does.

But perhaps the biggest fail of all is Brexit, a vote designed to heal the rifts in the tory party has split the nation, bought the Queen into politics, might well lead to the division of the UK and will make us all poorer....and its got far further run still!
Nothing shows their contempt for us all than Brexit.

And the Brexit referendum is their fault. How anyone can vote for them is beyond me.

Considering Blair ran with an election pledge to hold an in/out referendum shows how people are just playing sides.

Highlights how childish and uninformed those calling them 'evil actually are.

I don’t think all Tories are evil. Some of them such as Rory Stewart, Amber Rudd and Justine Greening come across as very decent people. I don’t agree with them about everything, but I don’t agree with Jeremy Corbyn or Jo Swinson about everything, either.

Others, such as David Cameron and George Osborne are basically decent people whose wealth and privilege simply makes it impossible to understand the realities of life for ordinary people who struggle to make ends meet, which means I don’t think they are the right people to run the country so I don’t vote for them.

A third group, exemplified by the likes of Rees-Mogg, are nasty sociopathic cretins who despise those less fortunate than themselves and support policies which destroy the planet while making their rich cronies richer at the expense of the poor. They are the evil Tories.

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Considering Blair ran with an election pledge to hold an in/out referendum shows how people are just playing sides

He wasn't stupid enough to go ahead with it, even you can surely see that? maybe not.....

again, whataboutery.

There's a lot of incorrect information on this thread.

The deficit has reduced under this Government. The debt has increased, but the deficit (the difference between what we raise in taxes and what we spend) has gone down.

This Government hasn't proposed raising the pension age to 73. I believe that was a think tank report.

Classic "whataboutery" which i thought you were opposed to?

OOh you have joined/namechanged

Where is the posts from tory supporters saying there 'success' is purely down to their virtue and success, you trying to trip me up is not addressing my overall point.

How a Lab politician schools their children is of little real difference to anyone.

Agree, just the same for any tory politician

Failing to look after the disabled does.

Also agree, but UC etc has cross party support, it is only the implementation that has become a shit show, it's far more nuanced that one is being pedaled.

But perhaps the biggest fail of all is Brexit, a vote designed to heal the rifts in the tory party has split the nation, bought the Queen into politics, might well lead to the division of the UK and will make us all poorer....and its got far further run still!
Nothing shows their contempt for us all than Brexit.

Still believing brexit is just a Tory issue that didn't help Blair into power and why labour is a shit show because of the elephant in the room of when they put a red rosette on a donkey safe seats actually voted leave.

Being easily led by media and being 'uneducated' doesn't hold up as labour being a bastion of the working class when you dig into it.

This Government hasn't proposed raising the pension age to 73. I believe that was a think tank report

Pity tory supporters aren't so generous to labour think tank ideas... which become day one policy if Labour get in lol!

Ian Duncan Smith no less has proposed a retirement age of 75, not 73.

He is a senior tory and heads a well respected (in tory circles) think tank.
Considering they've raised the retirement age to 68, its not inconceivable they will raise it again.

Actually the age mooted was 75 It was the same think tank which came up with Universal Credit which didnt get implemented either......................................................OH WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Poor people just dont matter to some people unfortunately. Even when people say they dont mind benefits going to disabled etc but not people who make their situation worse, alcoholics drug users etc. Answer this, would you want to live like most benefit claimants? So why try take something away from people that you wouldn't even like for yourself. No one ever seems to go for the rich and it's because whether you like to admit it or not they seem more deserving of money than a single mum for example. It's not right and benefit claimants are not rolling in the money and I cant believe people still think like this when people have died under UC.

i remember people spouting the same shit about the bedroom tax and UC saying it was "just a think tank idea"

We see you.

David Cameron and George Osborne are basically decent people whose wealth and privilege simply makes it impossible to understand the realities of life for ordinary people

Where is the evidence that they are basically decent people? They are the people who drove through austerity - being wealthy and privileged has not prevented other people from having empathy and common decency.

Graphista - where's the evidence that fires are not being attended to?

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/771245/response-times-fires-england-1718-hosb0119.pdf

Gov.uk stats show response times for primary fires increasing by 34 seconds since 2012/13 but this is driven by the increase in driving time - see link above. That's not related to funding, but likely to be traffic issues.

I pretty much hate all politicians. All self serving

He wasn't stupid enough to go ahead with it, even you can surely see that? maybe not.....

So you advocate elected leaders running on election pledges and then ignoring them when they get into power.

Just admit that you favor authoritarian governments, you can spin it as being good for the people, maybe try and limit what the media should report.

Remember though, its only the right wing we have to be worried about

• Section 28

- Hillsborough - Austerity - Jacob Rees-Mogg - Thatcher being BFF with Pinochet - The way they treat disabled people - I'm terrified of being too ill to work because I know I'd never qualify for benefits, people in comas and paraplegics and people dying of cancer have been declared fit to work - Cuts to the NHS - Fracking

Off the top of my head.

The Hostile Environment.
Remember these adverts: Go home or face arrest?

The Windrush scandal / tragedy

Nasty goady post OP. Because I am neither thick nor utterly selfish, because I see the news not the Fail and have actual real life experience of being ill, vulnerable and poor, and friends who have. I know, slumming it

- Austerity

Just shows how ignorant some are.

To be a member of the EU you need to manage a deficit of 3% which after the financial crash we was well above, it was labout who bailed out the banks and whoever took power in 2010 accepted austerity was a needed measure.

Posters like this is why its become a shit show because they know nothing other than offering soundbites hence the Pinochet reference

Some of them such as Rory Stewart, Amber Rudd and Justine Greening come across as very decent people.

They do? WTAF? They created policies that have killed poor and disabled people and/or voted for them with the power they have and you think anyone who does that is a decent person? I'd hate to see what you consider a real scumbag.

Managed decline of Merseyside, poll tax, austerity, privatisation, neo liberalism, bed room tax, brexit, food banks, wind rush.

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Have you read this by Ewan Gurr as well?

Why I Still Believe in Brexit

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Answer this, would you want to live like most benefit claimants? So why try take something away from people that you wouldn't even like for yourself

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